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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 10:12 AM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
Could be they all don't like interacting with other people like you OR they know of your anti social ways and just don't want to run with you.

Looks like a control system error to me.
Yeah - he's obviously lying. It's not that there's not enough people to play with on his lowly populated server.

[Irony]

He's just an anti-social, lazy, stinky ADHD-jerk. And he's already on everyone's ignore list. That's why he can't find a group. Sounds logical to me.

[/Irony]

Do you Anti-LFD-People ever listen to yourself?
English is not my first language.

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RachelAnne
02.13.2012 , 10:14 AM | #582
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1# A LFD tool will ruin/destroy the community.
It will destroy the feeling of beeing known, this is a fact. At wow I knew half my server at vanilla, at WOTLK I knew 15 people and that was my guild. If you join a specific server then because of the rules there and its people.
All this does not exist anymore at a random tool that matches you with people from different servers.

At wow I had so many problems with people from other servers, it started at looting rules and did end at pull and kill orders and their kind of playing the game in rushs etc.

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3# We will see more 'thiefs' and people will be bad mannered.

People don't automatically turn into 'thiefs' just because they won't see the other players again.
A thief at a server community will steal once, maybe twice after that he is on the blacklist and wont find groups anymore.
I really wonder if you guys ever played an MMO before, because you dont know these things. Every Server at wow vanilla had these listīs, they did exist at Ultima and DAOC and so on.
Also people are not always intentionelly rude, some are just having fun by rushing, skipping bosses or calling others noob. They dont even need to be rude, its just that they play different.
By matching those people with casuals that dont rush, are noobs etc. you create a very bad gaming experience for everyone.

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4# "I don't want to play with random bad/clueless players".
If you look for players, you take only those that fit your playstyle. Thats what its all about, you dont join a guild either, just because of loot do you? The guild has to fit you and so does the group, at an LFD this process is skipped and many different opinions collide.

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5# Only lazy people wants a LFD tool.
Just join the global LFG chat. If you refuse doing this, then you are lazy - sorry to say.

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6# If you don't have the time to find a group yourself you shouldn't be playing an MMO.
If you have 40 minutes and about 1-2 hours for LFD group run, then you have the time! A LFD group does take about 2-3x longer than a regular self made one. Time is not an issue, you are much better off by doing it manually.

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ferroz
02.13.2012 , 10:16 AM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by Introvertus View Post
the chances of encountering a griefer are pretty much even, unless there are entire servers full of idiots that should be avoided.
Well, there might be. I kind of feel that way about the people who play on warsong.

but even there the ratio isn't skewed THAT much. And I'm willing to deal with moving from 0.5% to 0.6% bad people in my groups if that means the game is much better for the good people on warsong.

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PjPablo
02.13.2012 , 10:17 AM | #584
Why does it seem like the same people who rave about 'elitists', saying they don't want a game to be a grind or a 'job' inevitably the same people who call those that want a LFD tool 'lazy'?

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DarthKhaos
02.13.2012 , 10:18 AM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Heretiq View Post
Yeah - he's obviously lying. It's not that there's not enough people to play with on his lowly populated server.

[Irony]

He's just an anti-social, lazy, stinky jerk. And he's already on everyone's ignore list. That's why he can't find a group. Sounds logical to me.

[/Irony]

Do you Anti-LFD-People ever listen to yourself?
Actually if you had been reading the entire thread they've been saying something similar that. Not those exact words but along those lines. Perhaps later I'll find the exact post someone placed and quote it. But I doubt I will. I've seen some logical responses on both sides less on the pro group. Fact is no matter what anyone says you wouldn't believe them.

The funny thing is that if his server has such a low population then the community is more in-tuned with each other and if he has a similar attitude in the game as he does on the forums I can see why he's having a hard time to find parties.

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ferroz
02.13.2012 , 10:20 AM | #586
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
It will destroy the feeling of beeing known, this is a fact. At wow I knew half my server at vanilla, at WOTLK I knew 15 people and that was my guild.
that reduction has nothing to do with the lfd tool

Even in your example, you're clearly talking about a reduction that occurred long before the lfd tool.

And really I felt fairly well known on my server even toward the end of wotlk... I knew a lot of people. If you didn't and only knew your guild, I'd say that you were the one that changed, not the game.

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A thief at a server community will steal once, maybe twice after that he is on the blacklist and wont find groups anymore.
No, they'll just keep stealing and getting groups.

They'll only steal from YOU once, but that's also true of xserver groups.

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Amiracle
02.13.2012 , 10:21 AM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by Introvertus View Post
I didn't insult anybody. I made a blatant observation.

I'm not saying "me me me me" at all. I'm speaking for the thousands of others who are in my situation. I don't want Bio to create a tool "just for me". I want them to create one to enhance the game and make it easier to get a group = more fun.

Oh wait no, i'm sorry - it's my fault because I'm on a low pop server, rather than your awesome high pop server with uber players. Forgive me - I'm obviously not entitled to my own opinion, a view on this frankly, stupid debate and my sub is less important to Bioware than yours is.
If there are thousands then why cant they find each other?

Oh, I get it. The only people looking for group are all on different servers. Didn't know there were thousands of servers in this game.

I picture all these people standing in a room all talking about they wish they had people to do stuff with and after 10 minutes they all leave by themselves.

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ImperialSun
02.13.2012 , 10:23 AM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by Heretiq View Post
Yeah - he's obviously lying. It's not that there's not enough people to play with on his lowly populated server.

[Irony]

He's just an anti-social, lazy, stinky ADHD-jerk. And he's already on everyone's ignore list. That's why he can't find a group. Sounds logical to me.

[/Irony]

Do you Anti-LFD-People ever listen to yourself?
lol...do you?

So there are a number of people struggling to find groups...

This is due to a low server pop....it is NOT due to the ommission of LFD at launch.

Why demand LFD instead of demanding that server pops are looked at?

If you have no hidden agenda in demanding a LFD - please explain why you dont want the actual problem sorting?

Driz

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Vulgarr
02.13.2012 , 10:25 AM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by oursacrifice View Post
/ignore works in cross-server LFD tools as well (assuming they'll copy WoW's implementation)

So yeah, you're wrong. I was specifically asking for what's wrong with WoW's implementation of the LFD tool from a mechanics standpoint, and you jumped in touting accountability - which is a byproduct of playing with people, not a byproduct of a LFD tool.
how do you ignore people when your list is has 50 names in it? there are 100s of worthy people that need an ignore and wow only limits you to a list of 50.

i mean they are even asking for limit caps to be raised on the wow forums:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3120002276

its apparently not working as well as you say?

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 10:25 AM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
It will destroy the feeling of beeing known, this is a fact. At wow I knew half my server at vanilla, at WOTLK I knew 15 people and that was my guild. If you join a specific server then because of the rules there and its people.
All this does not exist anymore at a random tool that matches you with people from different servers.

At wow I had so many problems with people from other servers, it started at looting rules and did end at pull and kill orders and their kind of playing the game in rushs etc.

So you don't like how others play their game? Either play with like-minded individuals or learn to respect and tolerate other people.

A thief at a server community will steal once, maybe twice after that he is on the blacklist and wont find groups anymore.
I really wonder if you guys ever played an MMO before, because you dont know these things. Every Server at wow vanilla had these listīs, they did exist at Ultima and DAOC and so on.
Also people are not always intentionelly rude, some are just having fun by rushing, skipping bosses or calling others noob. They dont even need to be rude, its just that they play different.
By matching those people with casuals that dont rush, are noobs etc. you create a very bad gaming experience for everyone.

No - not really. People will still get away with being as*holes. Because 2 days later everyone will forget how you ranted about them in general chat. That's how it is and how it always was. Your "community" doesn't care.

If you look for players, you take only those that fit your playstyle. Thats what its all about, you dont join a guild either, just because of loot do you? The guild has to fit you and so does the group, at an LFD this process is skipped and many different opinions collide.

So don't use the tool and play only with the people (your friends, your guild, like-minded individuals) you want to play with.

Just join the global LFG chat. If you refuse doing this, then you are lazy - sorry to say.

No. I'm not lazy - and I don't like being called lazy either. I just don't like wasting my time.

If you have 40 minutes and about 1-2 hours for LFD group run, then you have the time! A LFD group does take about 2-3x longer than a regular self made one. Time is not an issue, you are much better off by doing it manually.
And you know all that for a universally accepted fact, right?
English is not my first language.