Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

Alright how about this for a reason. We'll drop all the 'breaks community' as we've established that is something people value quite differently etc. The trouble with a LFD tool for me is that it actually doesnt solve anything. Really it doesnt. People want to say 'Atleast I can do other stuff while in que instead of being on the fleet' but we all know you'll end up being in que on the fleet anyways. But anyways its not a super solution to fix it all.

As I understand it people 'casual' people, people with 'real lives' etc want a tool because they dont want to spend time looking for a group in the fleet in the general channels. Because they dont have much time to play. As some guy some posts before this wrote he only has a hour, hour and a half tops to play after some school or whatnot. And the doesnt want to spend 40min + looking for a group. Alright I get that. I'm asuming this is from a dps point of view yea? Even so lets nail it down.

Without a system. "Spam" channels.

Dps - 30-40min or so for a group right?

Tank - 5 min or so? We all love the tanks right

Healer - 5-10 min about right? We cant after all go without a healer.

With a LFD system.

Dps - 30-40 min or so right? Because now whats happened is the game is spamming 'DPS LFG FP HM Whichever' for us in a channel we cant see.

Tank - 5 min or so probably less even.

Healer - Same as tank maybe 5min + since usually there's more healers then tanks.

What did it solve? Nothing. But oh wait! Make it Cross Realm! Thats solves it right?? Because then we have a bigger pool of players which means more healers and tanks!

With a LFD Cross Realm system.

Dps - 30-40 min

Tank - 5 min

Healer - 5 min.

Yey ! Cross realm LFD system finally ... Wait a minute? Still sucky que's hows that possible? We made a group of 4 ( 4!!! ) realms that MUST mean there are more tanks and healers ... Oh wait ofcourse there's more dps as well ....

If you dont believe me? Go search the Wow and Rift forums. Exactly what happened. First same server LFD tool. Then cross servers. And there's still whine about que times.

So yea that's why I dont like it. I am not gonna mention the community things yet again but I find it breaks stuff without fixing the things it's supposed to fix ...

People want automation. They want to instantly get a group. I got no problem with that. Just stop calling it a tool and acting like people don't have legitimated dislikes for your --- automation, instant, hand holding. I liked the game with out the automation. I have the biggest friends list in any previous game and I am in a big guild. I have done the small elitist thing and I like having a large group of people. On smaller pop servers, I can see this as a problem.

I am so sick of these damn LFG tool arguments, every single one of you fools that are against it KNOW that the game needs one to be successful, as it currently stands i don't even feel like logging in anymore because just the thought of standing there spamming LFG in general chat is sooo stupid, and on top of that there's no combat log, and Ilum is totally broken, world PvP is pretty much non existent, most people on my server play this game like it's a single player game, they never talk which is super annoying, and much more that is wrong with this game, which leaves me with the question, Why am i still here?

Maybe this game isn't for you then. This game is basically WOW only easier to play.

i didnt say i didnt like wow.

i said the LFD system is one of the reasons why we left wow.

no after maxing a character i think i can tell if a game is for me or not.

thank you for your thoughtful post though.

see, this is the reason why ToR is better than wow in my opinion. so many helpful people in the community.

If we are going to measure community for community here TOR is far inferior to WOW's. At least there are in-game communities in WOW. In my experience they are non-existent in TOR which is why the 'it will damage the community' argument holds no water for me.

I am so sick of these damn LFG tool arguments, every single one of you fools that are against it KNOW that the game needs one to be successful, as it currently stands i don't even feel like logging in anymore because just the thought of standing there spamming LFG in general chat is sooo stupid, and on top of that there's no combat log, and Ilum is totally broken, world PvP is pretty much non existent, most people on my server play this game like it's a single player game, they never talk which is super annoying, and much more that is wrong with this game, which leaves me with the question, Why am i still here?

You can even arrange logging of specific alts beforehand to precisely manage group composition.

Alright how about this for a reason. We'll drop all the 'breaks community' as we've established that is something people value quite differently etc. The trouble with a LFD tool for me is that it actually doesnt solve anything. Really it doesnt. People want to say 'Atleast I can do other stuff while in que instead of being on the fleet' but we all know you'll end up being in que on the fleet anyways. But anyways its not a super solution to fix it all.

As I understand it people 'casual' people, people with 'real lives' etc want a tool because they dont want to spend time looking for a group in the fleet in the general channels. Because they dont have much time to play. As some guy some posts before this wrote he only has a hour, hour and a half tops to play after some school or whatnot. And the doesnt want to spend 40min + looking for a group. Alright I get that. I'm asuming this is from a dps point of view yea? Even so lets nail it down.

Without a system. "Spam" channels.

Dps - 30-40min or so for a group right?

Tank - 5 min or so? We all love the tanks right

Healer - 5-10 min about right? We cant after all go without a healer.

With a LFD system.

Dps - 30-40 min or so right? Because now whats happened is the game is spamming 'DPS LFG FP HM Whichever' for us in a channel we cant see.

Tank - 5 min or so probably less even.

Healer - Same as tank maybe 5min + since usually there's more healers then tanks.

What did it solve? Nothing. But oh wait! Make it Cross Realm! Thats solves it right?? Because then we have a bigger pool of players which means more healers and tanks!

With a LFD Cross Realm system.

Dps - 30-40 min

Tank - 5 min

Healer - 5 min.

Yey ! Cross realm LFD system finally ... Wait a minute? Still sucky que's hows that possible? We made a group of 4 ( 4!!! ) realms that MUST mean there are more tanks and healers ... Oh wait ofcourse there's more dps as well ....

If you dont believe me? Go search the Wow and Rift forums. Exactly what happened. First same server LFD tool. Then cross servers. And there's still whine about que times.

So yea that's why I dont like it. I am not gonna mention the community things yet again but I find it breaks stuff without fixing the things it's supposed to fix ...

a community is everything that you make of it. its up to you if you want to participate. don't expect people like me to hold your hand and show you how to be sociable.

if its that bad, maybe you should take your own advice.

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