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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Vulgarr
02.12.2012 , 11:30 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by Ledra View Post
Alright how about this for a reason. We'll drop all the 'breaks community' as we've established that is something people value quite differently etc. The trouble with a LFD tool for me is that it actually doesnt solve anything. Really it doesnt. People want to say 'Atleast I can do other stuff while in que instead of being on the fleet' but we all know you'll end up being in que on the fleet anyways. But anyways its not a super solution to fix it all.

As I understand it people 'casual' people, people with 'real lives' etc want a tool because they dont want to spend time looking for a group in the fleet in the general channels. Because they dont have much time to play. As some guy some posts before this wrote he only has a hour, hour and a half tops to play after some school or whatnot. And the doesnt want to spend 40min + looking for a group. Alright I get that. I'm asuming this is from a dps point of view yea? Even so lets nail it down.

Without a system. "Spam" channels.

Dps - 30-40min or so for a group right?

Tank - 5 min or so? We all love the tanks right

Healer - 5-10 min about right? We cant after all go without a healer.

With a LFD system.

Dps - 30-40 min or so right? Because now whats happened is the game is spamming 'DPS LFG FP HM Whichever' for us in a channel we cant see.

Tank - 5 min or so probably less even.

Healer - Same as tank maybe 5min + since usually there's more healers then tanks.

What did it solve? Nothing. But oh wait! Make it Cross Realm! Thats solves it right?? Because then we have a bigger pool of players which means more healers and tanks!

With a LFD Cross Realm system.

Dps - 30-40 min

Tank - 5 min

Healer - 5 min.

Yey ! Cross realm LFD system finally ... Wait a minute? Still sucky que's hows that possible? We made a group of 4 ( 4!!! ) realms that MUST mean there are more tanks and healers ... Oh wait ofcourse there's more dps as well ....

If you dont believe me? Go search the Wow and Rift forums. Exactly what happened. First same server LFD tool. Then cross servers. And there's still whine about que times.

So yea that's why I dont like it. I am not gonna mention the community things yet again but I find it breaks stuff without fixing the things it's supposed to fix ...
to be honest as a dps i find groups faster in this game not using a LFD tool than i did in wow as a dps using the LF dps tool. its always 30 to 45 min ques for dps on bloodlust, unless its around content patch time or expansion time.

i agree, it hurts more than it solves.

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Ledra
02.12.2012 , 11:32 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by Vulgarr View Post
to be honest as a dps i find groups faster in this game not using a LFD tool than i did in wow as a dps using the LF dps tool. its always 30 to 45 min ques for dps on bloodlust, unless its around content patch time or expansion time.

i agree, it hurts more than it solves.
Indeed so do I on my Jugg dps. Usually when I cba to form a group myself it goes alot faster.
I'm not evil, just different.

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Tiralyon
02.12.2012 , 11:41 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Vulgarr View Post
to be honest as a dps i find groups faster in this game not using a LFD tool than i did in wow as a dps using the LF dps tool. its always 30 to 45 min ques for dps on bloodlust, unless its around content patch time or expansion time.

i agree, it hurts more than it solves.
You hit it right on the head again. Flashponts require one less person, so in a way DPS roles get filled faster. On my server there are people running things all day long. I'll sound like a jerk, but if you are not getting into groups on your server, switch. It doesn't take that long to get to 50 again once you get use to how the game plays and find a better populated server.

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Vlacke
02.12.2012 , 11:42 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by --Gunner-- View Post
Im tired of sitting in the fleet trying to form a group when my guilds not on. At least with a LFD i can go do my dailys/other stuff while getting qeues. if people ninja so what? ninja them back. what r u a girl er somthin?
Learn to write properly mister Ninja.

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Belogard
02.12.2012 , 11:52 AM | #215
Firstly, you ask the question in your subject line, but launch into a diatribe that tl;dr = there's no good reason...ta da ta da. So, even though your invitation is more than a bit insincere, I'll give you one. Secondly, I suggest you consider what I say as though it's as valid as your own perspective. "Opinions are like *****hole$. Everybody's got one."

The problem you wish to address exists. It's difficult to survey serverwide to create groups. A lot of downtime while logged-in is the result, and that's just not fun. It's boring. Given.

However, your remedy isn't the only remedy, and I hasten to add - your remedy will only make the disconnect of players worse. There is another solution. This one will enhance the communication server-wide of players, and even increase the latitude you can operate with. And, I know it's been mentioned before.

Before I institute an LFD - "dungeons" being a carry-over from a couple of games I prefer not to play just for that reason - dungeons...I prefer "instances," and before you say "dungeons, instances, what's the difference I'll say I prefer it. You prefer what you prefer. I prefer what I do. Deal with it. - A Global Looking For Group chat channel would accomplish the same.

In a GLFF, or GLFG, you immediately speak server-wide. You can discuss what instances people are willing to do. You can even arrange logging of specific alts beforehand to precisely manage group composition. You can get to know players in particular, and you can control who you play with as well as what classes you assemble for your instance.

When not interested in grouping, say you're crafting or gathering mats, you still can keep your communication with the wider community, and players you particularly like to work with, active and entertaining.

On the other hand an LFD tool is too restrictive. You have no control over group composition. You have no preference for quality players. You can't discuss what potentially good players need to do to become good players. You can't do much of anything but automatically be tossed into a mixed bag to run with it. That has "fail" written all over it.

The problem isn't finding dungeons. It's finding people to play with. Communication on a global chat channel allows for that. It can be the source of lasting relationships with fabulous players, and it gives you LATITUDE. You control the game. It doesn't control you.
It is not wise to meddle in the affairs of wizards for they are subtle and quick to anger

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PeacefulViolence
02.12.2012 , 11:53 AM | #216
I am so sick of these damn LFG tool arguments, every single one of you fools that are against it KNOW that the game needs one to be successful, as it currently stands i don't even feel like logging in anymore because just the thought of standing there spamming LFG in general chat is sooo stupid, and on top of that there's no combat log, and Ilum is totally broken, world PvP is pretty much non existent, most people on my server play this game like it's a single player game, they never talk which is super annoying, and much more that is wrong with this game, which leaves me with the question, Why am i still here?

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Vulgarr
02.12.2012 , 11:58 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by PeacefulViolence View Post
I am so sick of these damn LFG tool arguments, every single one of you fools that are against it KNOW that the game needs one to be successful, as it currently stands i don't even feel like logging in anymore because just the thought of standing there spamming LFG in general chat is sooo stupid, and on top of that there's no combat log, and Ilum is totally broken, world PvP is pretty much non existent, most people on my server play this game like it's a single player game, they never talk which is super annoying, and much more that is wrong with this game, which leaves me with the question, Why am i still here?
its one of the reasons many of us left wow for tor.

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harpuax
02.12.2012 , 11:59 AM | #218
A better question is what does it solve? It won't make people who previously did't want to run a flashpoint suddenly want to. All it does help low pop servers while they take people from the high pop servers. Which could be solved by server merges and transfers. Oh and instead of typing in chat every 5 mins you just click a button, big deal, that is just plain lazy.

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PjPablo
02.12.2012 , 11:59 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by Vulgarr View Post
its one of the reasons many of us left wow for tor.
Maybe this game isn't for you then. This game is basically WOW only easier to play.

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rijde
02.12.2012 , 12:00 PM | #220
People want automation. They want to instantly get a group. I got no problem with that. Just stop calling it a tool and acting like people don't have legitimated dislikes for your --- automation, instant, hand holding. I liked the game with out the automation. I have the biggest friends list in any previous game and I am in a big guild. I have done the small elitist thing and I like having a large group of people. On smaller pop servers, I can see this as a problem.