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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 07:53 PM | #1041
Quote: Originally Posted by souloferdrick View Post
Well, hey, it worked in a game designed for the wal mart masses, why not, eh? Can't beat em, join em, yadda yadda. Sounds wonderful, cant wait.
Yawn.

So what was your point again?
English is not my first language.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:54 PM | #1042
Quote: Originally Posted by souloferdrick View Post
Well, hey, it worked in a game designed for the wal mart masses, why not, eh? Can't beat em, join em, yadda yadda. Sounds wonderful, cant wait.
I'm sorry but do you genuinely believe that swtor is what? harder?

It's structured the exact same way, hard modes for the challenge seekers and everything else for the rest.

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xlegendtragiik
02.13.2012 , 07:54 PM | #1043
I wish they had a LFD tool in the game as well. My friends don't play MMO's that are p2p per month, but generally stay towards games like league of legends. I would enjoy just grouping up with some randies to get some quick levels, and enjoy the actual flashpoints in the game. I've only been able to do one flashpoint which was level 10 and i was 17, and i only went back to it for the light side points.

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Sliverspark
02.13.2012 , 07:55 PM | #1044
The problem isn't the existence or absence of an upgrade LFG tool. The problem is THE COMMUNITY.

When you have a game where you can pretty much solo through all the way to level 50; and continue soloing from there (I know plenty of un-guilded people that run end-game content) what is the point of finding a group, EVER?

There isn't one. Heroic quests for example; most everyone I know skips them now because it's a complete waste of time. No one wants to look for a group for 30 minutes. Plain and simple, it's a community issue, and also partially the developer's doing as well.

The state of the game right now, with little to no bug fixes, this thing isn't made to last a year.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 07:56 PM | #1045
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaelshi View Post
Neither side can say with certainty that more people want it or don't.

However it is probably a fair assumption that the various companies who run Rift, WoW, and SWTOR get more positive than negative feedback on LFG tools.

I can't provide any evidence other than that mmo companies continue to implement these tools and attempt to improve upon them. If they were abject failures they would likely phase them out and future mmo's would not implement them.

As for the arguments. The reason they likely get more positive feedback is simple: LFD tools allow access to content to a larger number of people.

If you are arguing AGAINST LFD tools you are arguing that certain groups of people should not have access to content unless they play the amount of time and the way you do.

I rarely joined server-created groups because much of the time I end up having something come up irl and not being able to finish the run seems a bit unfair to other people - quite frankly it is much easier and less of a dick-move to leave a LFG group because the group can quite simply queue back up and add another player. Server-side groups can not, they go back to spamming channels LFG for blah except they are already in the dungeon and it's not always as simple as just going back to wherver and spamming.

Many of the people who despise LFG are those who dont NEED it to do content and have a superiority complex about their gear score. THey hate the idea that a casual player like myself can now get gear scores close to their own even though I don't spend 90% of my day online and have other responsibilities i attend to irl.
Good thing you said many. Me, I don't care either way.... I've said this like 10 times, because I can see it helping some, but hurting others. Same can be said if it doesn't come, people who don't like whispering/shouting/whatever for groups, coupled with others who want it "quick like a bunny!" (yay for Mad Moxxi!), and people who have RL commitments that tend to interfere are going to have issues getting groups.

I see it both ways, neither side is right. Neither side should be telling the other side to suck it up and deal with it in any form. Throw in your reasoning without trying to degrade the other side and leave it at that and you'll likely never hear from me again. Unless I have a view and put my opinion in of course.

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Nijraw
02.13.2012 , 07:57 PM | #1046
A server only Flash Point Ques is needed badly.

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souloferdrick
02.13.2012 , 08:02 PM | #1047
Quote: Originally Posted by Heretiq View Post
Yawn.

So what was your point again?
What? No more super thought provoking evidence from an obvious scholar?

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terminova
02.13.2012 , 08:04 PM | #1048
Quote: Originally Posted by Sliverspark View Post
The problem isn't the existence or absence of an upgrade LFG tool. The problem is THE COMMUNITY.

When you have a game where you can pretty much solo through all the way to level 50; and continue soloing from there (I know plenty of un-guilded people that run end-game content) what is the point of finding a group, EVER?

There isn't one. Heroic quests for example; most everyone I know skips them now because it's a complete waste of time. No one wants to look for a group for 30 minutes. Plain and simple, it's a community issue, and also partially the developer's doing as well.

The state of the game right now, with little to no bug fixes, this thing isn't made to last a year.
It's not a community issue, it's intended gameplay. The devs give you a choice of whether to do the additional content or not, it's not required and not something you should blame on the community at large.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 08:06 PM | #1049
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaelshi View Post
Uh - the game companies are the ones implementing lfg tools not the players.

The simple fact of the matter is you still have a choice.

If your guild is running content right now or running with a group of people, as you suggest people are, then why would an lfg tool affect that at all? Thats rhetorical btw.

You are suggesting that your guild will what? Stop running content as a guild if an LFG tool is implemented? That says more about your guild than the OPTIONAL tool.
Stop stopping at optional and keep going. Yes the game companies are the one to implement it. And right now they aren't, at least for Cross Server. It's there as an option but they've stated they would rather not use it. It's the people that want it that are pushing for it, and to some degree the reason it comes if it does. Because if they weren't pushing for it, there would be no reason to implement it, especially since they said they would rather not.

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Kaelshi
02.13.2012 , 08:06 PM | #1050
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
What? Did you actually read it? We all can notice problems, but I know for a fact I don't have the creativeness or imagination or whatnot to come up with something better. But that doesn't mean I can't point out flaws I see. That's what I said. Not whatever that was that you pulled out of who knows where.

EDIT: Don't know if you edited your post or a mod did, so if it was a mod and they want to trim the quote, feel free to.

I edited it after you acknowledged both sides shouldn't be telling other people what to think.

The argument is simple from my point of view - lfg = more content for more people.

The people arguing against lfg also try to argue that we should do what they do : Find a guild that runs content.

which leads to the most obvious of questions - why would an implementation of an LFG tool stop your guild from running content?

It's an option. There is no objective evidence to suggest it "destroys communities" - anyone who lived through Barrens chat realizes how stupid of an argument this is.