Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

Please show me all the people cancelling.

Actually it is at least partially true. The less people interacting, the less of a community you have. A tool, like WoW's as an example, allows you to bypass that community and just click a few buttons and go kill some trash/bosses with people you in all likelihood will never see again.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to do that either. I'm saying that what you replied to is at least partially correct.

I like your style, coming in making wild claims without any proof.....


Too bad it's all fluff.

Here, I have a better way of forming his words:

People are already skipping content because they can't find blasted groups for it, even HM flash points on high pop servers are agony to find a group for.

There's not a lot of good reason for them to not make it cross server, is there?

From even a very broad take on their point of view, I can't think of one single reason why they wouldn't make cross server tools for PVE and PVP alike, if only to address low pop server issues as well as faction imbalances in one fell swoop.

Could more elegant and -better- solutions happen? Oh, I have no doubt. Cheaper and easier ones?

Frankly, even doing nothing isn't going to be cheaper in the long haul.

Me, I'm sick and tired of this debate. It's the same old song and dance over and over again, and if -anybody- REALLY CARED to change the outcome that's elsewise batting 100% on the Foregone Conclusion charts, they'd bust their humps to come up with something better and get some support behind it.

Instead, it's the same old fisticuffs.

Someone have a better idea than a cross-server LFG tool? Detail it out, post it, get some support behind it.

Otherwise, welcome to the future, where what we get will almost certainly be the cheapest and easiest to implement and maintain solution Bioware can drum up.

It'll probably look a lot like WoW's.

Neither side can say with certainty that more people want it or don't.

However it is probably a fair assumption that the various companies who run Rift, WoW, and SWTOR get more positive than negative feedback on LFG tools.

I can't provide any evidence other than that mmo companies continue to implement these tools and attempt to improve upon them. If they were abject failures they would likely phase them out and future mmo's would not implement them.

As for the arguments. The reason they likely get more positive feedback is simple: LFD tools allow access to content to a larger number of people.

If you are arguing AGAINST LFD tools you are arguing that certain groups of people should not have access to content unless they play the amount of time and the way you do.

I rarely joined server-created groups because much of the time I end up having something come up irl and not being able to finish the run seems a bit unfair to other people - quite frankly it is much easier and less of a dick-move to leave a LFG group because the group can quite simply queue back up and add another player. Server-side groups can not, they go back to spamming channels LFG for blah except they are already in the dungeon and it's not always as simple as just going back to wherver and spamming.

Many of the people who despise LFG are those who dont NEED it to do content and have a superiority complex about their gear score. THey hate the idea that a casual player like myself can now get gear scores close to their own even though I don't spend 90% of my day online and have other responsibilities i attend to irl.

Maybe because people are in guilds and doing those within the guild?

Of course not.........that wouldn't fit your world view.

Maybe because people are buying orange gear and mods and jumping right into raiding?

Of course not.....that wouldn't fit your world view.

Actually, it won't. They'll get to see the same amount of content with a LFG tool they could without one. The only time they'd get to see content they normally wouldn't would be if the LFG tool also worked for Ops.

Well, hey, it worked in a game designed for the wal mart masses, why not, eh? Can't beat em, join em, yadda yadda. Sounds wonderful, cant wait.

Here we go. Here's a thought i've held nearly my entire life. Most people are intelligent enough to recognize when something will cause a problem. Even though all these people are intelligent, not all of them are suited to coming up with something to replace it. which is why we defer to people who ARE good at it. But not being able to come up with something better does not invalidate our ability to see a problem in something.

And sorry, a "future" where enjoyment is, what I see as simplified, is a future that takes away my enjoyment. You may or may not care about my enjoyment, that's fine. But it exemplifies the point that it will hurt people in some way. And in the end, that's the thing, I can't make you enjoy things the way I do, nor can you do the opposite to me. We can't alter that ourselves even, what we like, we like, it just works that way. But when one sides way of enjoying things slowly takes over all the games I like, what do I have left?