Big wins for casuals! Dual Spec - Cross server

apologies for some reason i assumed this website was EU specific, maybe like wow had a eu and us website..

nah its cool man its an easy assumption to be made i should have been more clear about it so its my fault for that haha.

Fleetspam doesn't work because some people wanting to do a flashpoint may be sitting and waiting on the fleet, but others just picked up the mission for that same flashpoint on the planet it originates from and think "I'll do it when I see a group forming, but will just finish these mission here untill that moment". Those planetside players WON'T see you fleetspam, since, guess what? THEY'RE NOT ON THE FLEET!

Now what would a server-only LFG system do? You get the mission for that flashpoint planetside, start doing your missions, and along the way, your group fills up, with both people on the fleet and other people just clearing some missions planetside.
Bioware could actually implement some auto-que the moment you pick up the mission, or give you a window saying "X people are queued up for this flashpoint already. Do you want to start a group or team up with them? Yes/No/Review Group Composition"

There is simply no need to make it cross-server. Not yet anyway. With all the rerollers in this game, even low level flashpoints (and I mean more than just Black Talon/Esseles SP-trips) run very regularly anyway. When the Legacy system is released, all Flashpoints will see another surge of new characters as well.

But, for those who insist they MUST have cross-server grouping: Just group up a bunch of servers, and assign those as cross-server, but also make sure a good selection of servers is server-only. Give a character transfer opportunity to those who feel they must have that feature, also give a character transfer opportunity to those who'd rather flee to a dedicated non-cross-server place, and everybody gets what they want.

Everyone is a vocal minority on the forums.

Not too happy with the cross-server queue idea, but I'm on a consistently heavy pop server so I am not in a position to complain much.

Low pop servers. First paragraph down. Go roll on one if you don't believe me, have a 50 on a low pop server the game all but ends.

as for the second, needlessly complicated, here's my solution don't use the system, group with guildys/friends if it's such an issue.

After all grouping isn't an issue for you now right? why should you need a lfg tool if you have a group now?

we can debate our heads silly from here to ancient greece and back as the sophists we all are.

on a side note, the term Sophism derives from ancient greece and one of its earliest definition comes from aristoteles. It refered to the Sophists of Athen. Aristotele's book "Politics" described 3 forms of ancient government. aristorcary, tirany and democracy. aristotele was all for the first and said democracy was a nice idea but was subject to demogighism (spelling?) which is the art of making Populists arguments to rouse the crowd into doing what the debater wants. Sophists were what aristotele definied as the demogogs of Athens.

It is as a consequence a denigratory term and there is no real positive connotation to the word.




having said that. the fact bioware has changed its mind on the lfg crosserver system Does suggest its a bit more than a 50-50 status..

true in democracy elections are won with 51% but thats with millions and millions of votes.

with 1.7 or 1.3 million subscriers a 50 - 50 ratio is less valuble, this suggests that for bioware to change "status" on the issue there must be a bit more of an argument FOR rather than against.

Why wouldn't folks react to it like WoW?

Just about everything they add seems to be turning it more WoWlike. Just about everything at end game is a copy of WoWs endgame. I was really hoping it wouldn't be like this, but its ok, WoWs not for me, nor is SWToR.

I'm casual and do not want this. But yes, a complete reversal of their stance on this issue is worrisome. If this game becomes WoW, I'll go play WoW, the combat system is a whole lot smoother and they have Arena.

My opinion is simple, I want a system that has accountability, not zero accountability. If people want an automated tool for their own server only then hey i can compromise for that. You can still have black lists on your server which are needed. As far as the low pops servers go, the only option is to server merge. When you have the pop spread out too thin then the only solution is to forcefully combine people to make it so there are no issues. It does cause harm but not as much harm as a cross server RDF tool will create. Cross server RDF is a band-aid not a fix in regards to low pop servers. Ya sure theyd get to do content but after they are full colimni then what? if you cant get a group of 4 people by yourself how do we expect you to get a group of 8 people or even 16 to progress in content? Like i said all it does is prolong the issue of people not being able to find groups. Therefore in regard of low pops servers, its only a band-aid that in the end would fix nothing but create more problems.

Thats my opinion since that is my experience of past MMO's, ya sure they get more subs and money but the community disappears and the only people left are ******es and trolls and gear whores. Greed in other words.

That is the point. Depends on the player, what server they are on and if they are in a guild. Cross server Looking for a Group tool helps those who are on low population servers, have very limited times to play and for thier own reasons donot want to get involved with a guild. Nothing says those who dislike the LFG tool would need to use it. Personally I think they should have a LFG tool for 4 man heroics, Flashpoints and Operations. And I think eventually they will.