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Arena, implement competitive PVP.

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Zbus
02.21.2012 , 12:35 AM | #101
Kills me to see people talking about skill when they refer to wow arena pvp. What it boiled down to is who had the best combo of classes and who was better at key pushing.

You want real pvp thier are games around that will make you elite PVP guys that want arena so bad cry. Try a game like battle ground europe with a half scale map of europe and guys who can pick you off at 600 meters with iron sights. No shields no med pacs no power ups just your toon and a rifle. Knowing that if he gets hit your dead or wounded which is about the same thing.

Games like that go to the guy who knows how to use cover and is patient. It goes to the guy who knows how to work with a team to provide overlapping fields of fire. Best part would be watching some guy from wow who thinks he is gods gift to pvp as his head explodes because for the 10th time he died and he does not know what killed him or who.

Like I said you want to show everyone your skills go play a game like that with real physics involved. Though the graphics are sub par for its age you will come back a more hummble person after dealing with the guys that play those types of games cause guess what they do have real skills most not just in game but in life used to be tons of x-military playing that game and it showed in thier tactics.

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Entrerix
02.21.2012 , 04:56 AM | #102
God so many *******... Makes me wanna close this post.
Answer me this. Is it fair to see a "War Hero" with full battlemaster gear afk in a BG? Is it fair that, if you are the most skilled PVP player on the planet and you have nothing to show for it?
You all act as if arena is so comp based and you could opnly win with a certain comp. To be FAIR that's ********. The only people who would say such a thing are people who FAIL at arena. Look at the arena tournaments, is everyone playing the same comp, the BEST one? Look at the 3v3 ladder on every battlegroup, is there only one comp in the top 50? Watch one of Neilyo's arena movies and see what kind of skill should be rewarded. Watch Hydra. Everyone who says that arena is compbased is someone who failed terribly at it. And you have no real argument to prove me wrong other than your QQ.
And people who think rated warzones are gonna be the salvation. Think about it. Take huttball for example. You will NEVER win if your team doesn't have many pushbacks/grips. Why would someone want to take a sentinel/maradeur in their group when they could have a sorc/sage or a tank with an offensive grip? Look at rated bgs in WoW. It's EXTREMELY comp based. A LOT more compased than arena is. If you don't have a mage in your team you wont have good cc, if you dont have a rogue in your team for smokebomb it's close to impossible to kill a flag carrier. In rated warzones there will always be a dreamteam. And since it's 8v8 it doesn't promote individual skill.
I beg of you, don't act like you know ANYTHING about arenas if you got to 2.2k and think that you are the best but the meleecleaves just facerolled your healer all the time and that's why you didn't get glad.

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me_unknown
02.21.2012 , 05:18 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Scotland View Post
i like the idea as long as the teams have a minimum of 4 players each.
then better do not implement arenas. the most interesting ones for me and i bet many others are 2on2 and 3on3. 4on4 are fine too but not as a minimum!

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Hiro
02.21.2012 , 05:34 AM | #104
i couldnt agree more with the OP

competetive PvP is something that keeps a HUGE ammount of players happy.

many of us want to measure with each other. optimize your own class. optimize your coop play with your friends. right now there is NOTHING in pvp that really requires too much skill without having alot of frustration coming along like bad players you are forced to play with in WZs.
and like the OP said. PvP is just pointless atm for many of us. sure as long as you enjoy you can argue: how can it be pointless? still many of us want MORE

what i NEVER understood is how ppl can be AGAINST arena like pvp? NOONE would be forced to do it. many would LOVE it. those who dont want it, simply dont have to do it.

there can NEVER be enough different options in a game. cause there are always different players around who enjoy different stuff. denying someone else something he really wants is just stupid and really really egoistic.


please please please bioware.... give us some kind of competitive pvp!
i know most ppl dont like to compare their precious game with other games.... but what is wrong of copying stuff from another game if there are so many who enjoyed it? (guess we dont have to go down the road that huge parts of the game is copied from other games already anyways)... yes im talking about wow arena, which personally was for me the best experienced ive had in an MMO in the past 10 years. and i know im not alone with that. give me the same enjoyment in my lovely star wars environment and ill be really really happy.
thanks

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Raansu
02.21.2012 , 05:35 AM | #105
Arena match:

3 sorc vs 3 sage....

yep...

Seriously I'd only be ok with arena's if they separated class stats between pve and arenas. Hell I'd prefer they do that with pvp in general, because in the end arenas will only hurt pve classes from whiners asking for nerfs, which then causes people to re-roll to the fotm...rinse and repeat. It should be considered different games and stats/balanced should be separated accordingly. A nerf for pvp should never affect pve, which was exactly the problem with WoW. Even Blizzard admitted that the way the handled arena was a mistake.

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Raansu
02.21.2012 , 05:45 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Hiro View Post
i couldnt agree more with the OP

competetive PvP is something that keeps a HUGE ammount of players happy.

PvPers are the minority...


what i NEVER understood is how ppl can be AGAINST arena like pvp? NOONE would be forced to do it. many would LOVE it. those who dont want it, simply dont have to do it.

Because developers seem to be incapable of separating pvp/pve and arena killed class balance for pve.

there can NEVER be enough different options in a game. cause there are always different players around who enjoy different stuff. denying someone else something he really wants is just stupid and really really egoistic.


please please please bioware.... give us some kind of competitive pvp!

Warzones are competitive...It takes more to win an objective base game over a 3v3 with people rolling the OP classes and burning all their CD's as fast as possible.
I'm not really against arena, I just don't want to see pvp kill pve classes. I'm actually worried about the rated warzones. The nerf on scoundrels really hurt them in pve. I don't see hardly any of them pve anymore, and even less pvp now. Most of them re-rolled sage. This is just an example of why I feel stats should be separate for pvp and pve.

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TapSumBatt
02.21.2012 , 05:47 AM | #107
It was released around Xmas, you'll need to give them another three months really before complaining too much about this.

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AetherMcLoud
02.21.2012 , 05:49 AM | #108
Arena completely destroyed PVP in that other game, it will destroy PVP here. VOTE NO TO ARENA!
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me_unknown
02.21.2012 , 05:52 AM | #109
when i read something like pvp-players are the minority i must laugh.

1. the pvp forum is the most aktive
2. the most impressive observation is: i have chars on 3 server (most quite low level). i can tell you that on all of these server you need to wait hours to get 4 peeps together for a fp, no matter if 1-49 or level 50 or heroic.

but warzones are opening up in seconds or a minute.

man, we/they wait 2 hours to find a dd for a fp Oo

don't tell me pvp'ers are the minority!

most guilds looking for recruitment are pvp guilds or at least partially. i do not remember that i once saw a pve only guild on the pvp servers i have chars on.

actually i admit that i am surprised. i thought it would be more pve interested people. but it seems to be vice versa. but maybe i just hit the only 3 server being like this.

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me_unknown
02.21.2012 , 05:53 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by AetherMcLoud View Post
Arena completely destroyed PVP in that other game, it will destroy PVP here. VOTE NO TO ARENA!
depends on the definition of pvp. arena was the highlight in my opinion. though, they did several big mistakes with it. but the idea of arena was the best they ever did to pvp!