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People are exaggerating the few problems SWTOR has.

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People are exaggerating the few problems SWTOR has.

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Snido
02.09.2012 , 10:22 PM | #61
I posted this thread a little while ago:
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This is my first pay-to-play MMO, and what I don't understand is what the hell am I paying for? I have played my fair share of other MMOs and what I see here I am getting less and paying more. I seriously want to know what the hell I am paying for? It would be one thing if I bought the game and then you had some issues to work out and I could wait and get back on when they were ironed out.

But thus far I have paid for a defective product and am now paying per month for you to fix the product. And those fixes are laughable at best. You fix stuff with a patch and then 2-3 days later you have to emergency patch your fix because it made what you were trying to fix worse. The downtime alone from this makes it difficult to find time to play. I understand that games have gltiches and problems, but with how many issues there are in this game is above and beyond a few hitches. Its been over a month and I feel like they haven't fixed anything important, just balance stuff that people whine about. I feel like I'm paying to play a Beta, that's seriously what this feels like. So again I ask what am I paying for?

Lets talk about the customer service...or lack thereof... If I'm lucky enough to get a reply to my message its a copy and paste one that is absolutely no help (like a response about how to check the forums for new information when i submit a report...).

So in conclusion I have a defective product I'm paying for them to fix, which they are doing a laughable job at, and there is little to no customer service or regard for the customer at all. The way I understand it I pay per month for enhanced customer service and quality, and it is in fact worse then the play for free games. So I am still wondering what am I paying per month for? If I could get an answer to that I would really appreciate it.
My thread was closed, and I asked the closing mod if he could answer the question then, and why he closed my thread. I received a copy and pasted reply in response. Which merely proves my point, we are paying per month for literally NOTHING. Cant even get a human response from someone when you ask a question.

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kristoffbrujah
02.09.2012 , 10:30 PM | #62
What a load. "Defective product" huh? How the hell am I enjoying using a product that is defective?

Way too much rubbish on these forums.

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Lokai
02.09.2012 , 10:32 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by ValaxDarkseer View Post
Does SWTOR have problems and the occassional bug? Of course. Every game does. WoW had way more bugs than SWTOR at launch but did any of you complain about that? Prolly not

My point is that most of the problems being mentioned are likely greatly exaggerated and in some cases have been made up entirely by trolls (fake ban posts for example). Most performance issues are on the users end because of low end computers as Bioware has already stated.

Please stop complaining about problems which are not Biowares fault or will soon be fixed. They are working hard and gave us one of the greatest MMO's ever made (with the best story by far btw )
yea cause pvp is not totally broken grind fest has devolved into kill trading on illum...OH wait ... yes it has...

yea sorry that is not an exaggeration its just fact!
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Halvos
02.09.2012 , 10:34 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by kristoffbrujah View Post
I keep hearing "broken", usually see it about once a day. There was a very large thread locked yesterday that used this word.

Unless the game is not working on your computer, this game is not broken. Far from. If you think SWTOR is a broken game, then you aren't a very experienced gamer.
So all those bounty hunters unable to complete their class story because it's bugged doesn't mean the game is broken? When your main selling point for a game is story, and that part isn't flawless, you failed.

Not to mention the fact that the rate at which they fix things is pathetic. Look at Rift and how quickly they hotfixed and patched their game. I had to mention hotfixed because they would patch things in without taking the server down, unlike BioWare. Every few days it's a new patch that just breaks more stuff. This is why people are annoyed.

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wrmrstacrdwower
02.09.2012 , 10:34 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by kristoffbrujah View Post
I keep hearing "broken", usually see it about once a day. There was a very large thread locked yesterday that used this word.

Unless the game is not working on your computer, this game is not broken. Far from. If you think SWTOR is a broken game, then you aren't a very experienced gamer.
When people say the game is broken they are referring to the optimization or lack there of in SWTOR with the Hero Engine. As in the Game Engine can't have a combat log because it can't handle it's own parsing, the game engine can't handle multiple data packets of one skill being sent between the client and the server without delay. Things like that are actually issues that make the game broken.

Then the issues of class balance and the proposed Rated WZ's, Melee class threat issues on AoE abilities and the ability to side strafe or stutter step on your opponent and not get a "must be behind target" error are more or less issues that could be considered "broken".

That's what they are referring too. Not knowing what others are talking about with gaming makes you a bad gamer. Refusing to identify the issues with the game and expect them to have been solved in 6 years of development, to have them persist into the paid subscription portion of the service, that's not even being a gamer.
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Wolfninjajedi
02.09.2012 , 10:36 PM | #66
Really being honest....I haven't run across any game breaking bugs people have been saying there are, I haven't even run across any bugs really. Even if there are, I guess its not that big a deal to me but I am having fun with the game and haven't come across any problems.
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kristoffbrujah
02.09.2012 , 10:37 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Halvos View Post
So all those bounty hunters unable to complete their class story because it's bugged doesn't mean the game is broken? When your main selling point for a game is story, and that part isn't flawless, you failed.

Not to mention the fact that the rate at which they fix things is pathetic. Look at Rift and how quickly they hotfixed and patched their game. I had to mention hotfixed because they would patch things in without taking the server down, unlike BioWare. Every few days it's a new patch that just breaks more stuff. This is why people are annoyed.
I am a BH, I completed my class quest. It was fun and I had a blast.

But game is broken. Derp.

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Vis-Tecum
02.09.2012 , 10:37 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Snido View Post
I posted this thread a little while ago:


My thread was closed, and I asked the closing mod if he could answer the question then, and why he closed my thread. I received a copy and pasted reply in response. Which merely proves my point, we are paying per month for literally NOTHING. Cant even get a human response from someone when you ask a question.
here is just some of what you are paying for in a short generlized list

in 6 weeks they have

major and minor bug fixes toall aspects of the game [major = game breaking / minor = annoying but still playable]

patchs to the game every week [and promptly fix issues that a new patch might cause, never once have seen a patch "break the game" as some posts have suggested]

tiered level 50 players in warzones

added new content

addressed and included some fixes to ability lag and performance issues

have implemented nerfs or balancing of classes / crew skills

addressed exploits for pve and pvp

fixed illum - added for troll bait [in my opinon its fixed but not perfect i know everyone loves to hate but hey there are more than 3 people cap trading now and people are actually fighting, hell it can be out right dangerous to go there sometimes to me that is great]

please see patch notes for a more complete list
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kristoffbrujah
02.09.2012 , 10:39 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by wrmrstacrdwower View Post
When people say the game is broken they are referring to the optimization or lack there of in SWTOR with the Hero Engine. As in the Game Engine can't have a combat log because it can't handle it's own parsing, the game engine can't handle multiple data packets of one skill being sent between the client and the server without delay. Things like that are actually issues that make the game broken.

Then the issues of class balance and the proposed Rated WZ's, Melee class threat issues on AoE abilities and the ability to side strafe or stutter step on your opponent and not get a "must be behind target" error are more or less issues that could be considered "broken".

That's what they are referring too. Not knowing what others are talking about with gaming makes you a bad gamer. Refusing to identify the issues with the game and expect them to have been solved in 6 years of development, to have them persist into the paid subscription portion of the service, that's not even being a gamer.
I was actually a gamer during the 90's and know what a broken game looks like. It's borderline unplayable and not fun. A broken car does not run, a broken TV does not turn on, etc. That's broken.

This game is neither. But since people don't understand the difference between non-functionality and optimization, the word broken is used.

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Halvos
02.09.2012 , 10:41 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by kristoffbrujah View Post
I am a BH, I completed my class quest. It was fun and I had a blast.

But game is broken. Derp.
So because some BH complete it but others can't means it isn't broken? Are you really that stupid? You had fun, I didn't. Clearly that means this game is no fun, by your logic.