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People are exaggerating the few problems SWTOR has.

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People are exaggerating the few problems SWTOR has.

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Sizzurps
02.11.2012 , 03:00 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by MagicmanNC View Post
Most complaints are in the "Things WoW has that SWTOR doesn't" category, and if I cared about that stuff I'd go back to WoW
LOL... this made me chuckle...

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face_hindu
02.11.2012 , 03:02 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by MrOrionQuest View Post
Unfortunately for any of you posting, none of you (unless I know you) have a world first of vanilla raids. Fortunately for me, I do.
Stopped reading right there.
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darkcerb
02.11.2012 , 03:04 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by MrOrionQuest View Post
Unfortunately for any of you posting, none of you (unless I know you) have a world first of vanilla raids. Fortunately for me, I do. You want to talk about balance? You want to talk about how people cheesed mechanics or encounters? Maybe even talk a little about how many guilds cheated their way to getting the AQ server-first mount? WoW was so bugged, cheated, malformed and so totally broken with their raids, that literally hundreds of people were banned without even knowing how they beat an encounter. My server, of course was the first to beat AQ40, NAX, and MC. However, those that came after us, although it wasn't even a week after we did it, Blizzard decided to ban them because they were awarded the mount. Who's fault was this?

We come here, and see what BioWare is doing, almost the opposite. Despite a few bugs, which sure can be annoying, aren't game breaking, aren't affecting the entire world as a competitive raid encounter, and definitely isn't doing so much wrong with the mechanics or encounters that entire servers are being banned.

People who claim this game is so buggy, and still claim to give the nod to other MMOs are immature in their assumptions. You have yet to experience content that the developers have even imagined could be beaten in such a time. Today, we consume content at such a fast rate that there is almost no possible way encounters could ever be bug free, no amount of testing could even touch the variety the general public does to them. You say they're buggy and un-playable, I tell you that you are trying to stretch the encounter beyond the means they were designed for, even if you were the one to see the bug.

Do common bugs exist in our Operations? Sure, they exist in every raid, you see it often when a guild gets banned for exploiting it. Why then, are you so overjoyed to find a bug? You would have normally been banned by any other developer. A common bug is just that, common, don't complain about how it's not fixed if you have no idea of the timeframe it takes to fix it. Some of you I see complain about bugs that existed since beta, but do you have any idea of how long it could possibly take to fix? Of course not, you'd rather complain and say the game was un-playable instead of trying to adapt.

I adapted, 39 of my fellow raiders adapted, and we adapted to a game you now claim is better than this one. You are wrong.
That's an awfully long way of saying because wow was buggy it's ok for swtor to be.

No it's not, that logic makes no sense this is 2012 many many years after wow's release.

You want a more accurate comparison, did you play rift at release? do you play rift now? weekly effective patches most released via rolling restarts.

That's how you release an mmo. And that this one had a far larger budget just makes the problems more embarrassing.

And that's just the bugs not the features we've come to expect from mmo's that are missing.

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Sizzurps
02.11.2012 , 03:07 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Stopped reading right there.
Yeah, I did too. Also, if people want to complain about hacking and exploiting, etc... they should have played Ultima Online.
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Reaperchris
02.11.2012 , 03:15 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Just a heads up: your reply is tecnically much more immature than the person you quoted.
Not really it was stating more than likely a fact of a T Roll who shouldn't be here.
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face_hindu
02.11.2012 , 03:17 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Reaperchris View Post
Not really it was stating more than likely a fact of a T Roll who shouldn't be here.
Oh you were announcing your presence, I get it now.
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Fiachsidhe
02.11.2012 , 03:21 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
Was his point; The game is missing many features and is riddled with bugs?

Or perhaps his point was bioware has shown a remarkable ability to not listen to it's customers when implementing any changes? did we really need the strobe light cooldowns?

If so I wish, Because though I really enjoy the game I don't let that blind me.

Defend bioware to the hilt if you like, maybe I just expect more from my money.
His point was that, yes the game has issues, EVERYONE knows it. However, players can't read three posts without someone like you showing up to spray the obvious all over the place as if you think problems are solved in the order of how obnoxiously they're presented. And like someone rang a magic bell above your PC, you show up right on schedule to do your little song and dance act, where you think bringing the same flaws up over and over, is going to get them fixed faster.

MOST players deal with the problems, because it is still fun. We understand that Bioware was rushed, but that, when given enough time, they produce gold. So you can either leave and come back when all the kinks are worked out, or you can sit on these boards crying over spilled milk just to make yourself feel better, or you can suck it up and play in spite of the flaws, because what IS there is great.

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Sraom
02.11.2012 , 03:21 AM | #178
After seeing a lot of Tera beta today, and heard a lot about GW2,
I think the problem is that

The WoW system is old, not just WoW

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MrOrionQuest
02.11.2012 , 03:23 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
That's an awfully long way of saying because wow was buggy it's ok for swtor to be.

No it's not, that logic makes no sense this is 2012 many many years after wow's release.

You want a more accurate comparison, did you play rift at release? do you play rift now? weekly effective patches most released via rolling restarts.

That's how you release an mmo. And that this one had a far larger budget just makes the problems more embarrassing.

And that's just the bugs not the features we've come to expect from mmo's that are missing.
You'd like to compare Rift to SW:TOR, and I'm not trying to defend TOR, rather I'm giving a comparison. And yes, Rift has it's fair share of bugs, as a matter of fact, at release, half the playerbase couldn't play the game. Many people seem to forget this, but there was a major flaw with the game that prevented some people from playing. So major in fact, that Rift, as of a couple months or so ago, just now can claim they've made a profit.

Again I go back to raid encounters, and since I've also played Rift competitively, I can already tell you, TOR is far and beyond what Rift did. You want to say how easily Rift released, although half the playerbase couldn't play, outside of the first month, then you add how long queues were, then you add where my expertise lies, with end game competition, and you cannot say Rift did any better, as a matter of fact, without trying to game TOR with an advantage, they have done it better, far better.

Endgame on Rift saw 2 actual raids, with fewer bosses. Released after TOR did in timeframe. Even if we look at WoW today, they have 8 bosses at endgame currently, TOR has more than that. Apples to oranges. I'm not trying to promote TOR, but glaring opinions towards content are obviously different. People claim there's no endgame, although we've already had an Operation extension, another Flashpoint, which was only the first of 2 patches, the second of which is coming in March, we've almost had the entire content of both Rift at launch and WoW's current expansion at launch doubled in the same time frame. Nope, no end game.

I'm no fanboy, I don't just jump a bandwagon and blindly promote a game, let alone a BioWare game, which I think frankly is a hit-and-miss genre of RPG to go with, but opinion and fact are almost the opposite when it comes to this game, and glaring "haters" aren't very factual.
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darkcerb
02.11.2012 , 03:26 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Fiachsidhe View Post
MOST players deal with the problems, because it is still fun. We understand that Bioware was rushed, but that, when given enough time, they produce gold. So you can either leave and come back when all the kinks are worked out, or you can sit on these boards crying over spilled milk just to make yourself feel better, or you can suck it up and play in spite of the flaws, because what IS there is great.
Or I can keep complaining until the problems are fixed.

Maybe I was spoiled by trions release and maintenance, maybe I expect more from mmo developers now with blizzard and trions constant patches via rolling restarts/hot fixes. Instead of constant down time with no effective fixes.

You can go back in game if you don't want to read what I have to say. But don't try to force me to stick my head in the sand too, I don't plan to.