Alot people forget that this game is new...

Not really, Cata has been a joke. Blizzard has failed immensely since the launch of Cata. LFR...LOL

"TOR is missing basic features" = "This game should be WoW"

*Need I remind everyone that BW wasn't even capable of implementing a basic search function in the market? I'm just glad nobody at BW works for Google, Yahoo, or Bing.

[Drop down] Select general category (list of 100,000 categories)
[Drop down] Select sub category (list of 4000 sub categories)
Click search
Enter keyword filter
Click filter
Hope you didn't select a field where things are improperly listed (Custom armor not showing when custom is selected. . .)

And yet players love the feature. Go figure.

This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. You're trying to argue semantics when the quote quite clearly implies all this will be available when you buy the product. Using the very same logic you use, every single retailer in the world would be able to just send you IOU cards instead of actual products whenever you buy anything because the delivery date never specified you'd get the whole product as described by then.

LFR has been one of their most successful additions to the game recently. Heck, SW:TOR seems to be trying to imitate it with the ridiculously easy normal mode instances that auto assign loot to "avoid drama".

Your talking about semantics.... Oh its fantasy because its a mythos... In that case Marvel heros are a fantasy because its a mythos too...

Oh and impossible things? Well the Matrix is fantasy then because of the impossible things in it... And Star Trek as well must be fantasy because of the impossible things in it... And before you say some of the Trek stuff is true now well in 100 years lightsabers could be real... Just because its not possible now doesnt mean it wont be in the future... Look at Star Trek... Alot of what we saw back then was considered completely and totally impossible and never be able to happen... Yet now alot of it is possible.

As for the mystical force... That is based in reality... Its called Ki, Chi, and Qi..... And can do amazing things. Go look it up before you reply please... Dont want to spend 3 hours trying to explain it to you.

Your talking fantasy as in not real or make believe.... I am talking fantasy as in high fantasy... But your trying to combine that with all the things that Lucas used to influence him in the making of Star Wars to fill in all the holes in your pathetic argument...

Just because Lucas was influenced by mythology doesnt make it fantasy.... If that were the case then every movie, book, comic, etc could be considered fantasy since most writers, directors, etc are influenced to a small or large degree by myths and legends... Good versus evil is a concept centuries old... Heroes and villains just as old.... So by your definition every movie that has good versus evil must be fantasy... Federation versus Romulons/Klingons/Borg/etc.... Good versus evil. Star Trek is fantasy. Any movie that has a hero and villain must be fantasy.... Batman and the Joker... The Dark Knight is fantasy...

Now if you mean fantasy as in not real then everything fiction is fantasy....

But Star Wars is and always will be Sci Fi.... Yes there are some elements of high fantasy in it... Every science fiction work has elements of high fantasy in it. People try to classify Star Wars as high fantasy because of the influences and theme... Yet those themes are played out in everything from action to sci fi to drama... And they always fail to mention that part...

WoW has some elements of Sci Fi in it but I would be laughed off the WoW forums if I called it a Sci Fi MMO...

The defintion of science fiction is a work that draws imaginatively on scientific fact in plot theme and setting... But that in and of itself is a bad definition as most science fiction will draw from myth (as I explained above) and scientific fact. Plot has little to do with scientific fact since most science fiction draws from mythical sources at their cores. Theme is once again another bad reference point as theme can also come from mythical sources... Really the setting is the only hard fast rule imo... And thanks to blasters, star fighters, aliens, droids, etc... well that is a clear sign of that setting.

The biggest argument people use in favor of fantasy is the first thing you see... "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...." They always want to point at the "long time ago" part and never seem to want to touch on the "galaxy far far away"... It points to advanced travel hyperdrives and such. And last time I checked most people "a long time ago" didnt know about "a galaxy far far away"..

Now if you want we can discuss this whole thing further sometime... But right now I am gonna play the best MMO imo.... Star Wars The Old Republic...

If you want the truth of it... Straight from the creators mouth.... Lucas has said its a Space Opera, a Space Western, and more simply A Tale of Two Droids....

Tyr

There's a significant difference between Star Wars and Star Trek. Star Trek attempts to explain it's science and keep some baseline in reality. In general, science fiction works try to explain how or why their science works. Sure they use more advanced science than currently possible, and might violate several current scientific laws, but they attempt to explain how or why this changed, and they are usually set in a fictional future of our current timeline.

Star Wars doesn't really seem to attempt any of this. Sure the universe it exists in feels like science fiction because it is a futuristic universe, but the science never really mattered in Star Wars. Lightsabers are swords made of light. How or why? Because they are. The force is sort of like magic in fantasy. How or why? Because they are. Hyperdrive gets you from point A to B really fast. Etc, you get the idea.

I think that's why SW has a lot more of a fantasy vibe than some of the sci-fi examples mentioned, because it downplays the science (it doesn't matter one bit for the story).

Edit: And fantasy does not need elves or magic for that matter. Look at Game of Thrones, it's hardly the stereotypical wizards and warriors, elves and orcs, etc, but it's still considered fantasy.

Not sure who you're generalizing as "players" here, because over 30 of my WoW guildies quit because of LFR.

There are people who will take the path of least resistance, because they don't care about GS, they care about experiencing content and story. When you can experience all of the end-game content two weeks after it launches, the feature gives people no reason to resub.

As per WoW, many servers are ghost towns. People may be paying, but they sure aren't playing.

It implied nothing. Even in software's case there is a list of features on the box. I have the retail CE gamebox and nowhere on it does it even allude to "all the fun features and activities that fans have come to expect in a AAA massively multiplayer online game." Nothing misleading on the web store either, which is essentially DD's version of a retail box: http://buy.swtor.com/us/

Folks are free to perceive what they want. I personally had no misconceptions based on a 3½ year old press release. It was a MARCOM-fueled positioning statement, not a product launch action plan.

Once LFR came out I was no longer interested in downing the content. LFR cheapens the entire process of raiding IMO. Dungeon finder was a good addition IMO. LFR takes it way too far.

If I had to pick a reason why I unsubbed WoW it would be the combination of LFR and kung-fu panda happening at about the same time. I felt no excitement for the game. In truth it's been building for all of Cata, but these were the single greatest catalysts.

These statements are meaningless. I could say that my guild of 300 players all love LFR so much they signed up for the one year plan, it means absolutely nothing because we can both make up whatever number we want or whatever statement we want about this.

Blizzard, on the other hand, does have the information, and they've already stated LFR has proven to be extremely popular. Now even if you're the tinfoil hat type who thinks Blizzard is lying about this, try queuing for LFR on a North American server in the middle of the night (for NA), you'll see that even in the middle of the night, you can often get a group within 10 minutes as dps, and within a minute as healer. It's obvious tons of people use it.

As for the paying but not playing thing, this should be roughly equal for all MMO's (as in, an equal percentage of players for each MMO are paying but not playing) unless you can name some specific reasons why this would be more common for WoW than other MMO's.