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Alot people forget that this game is new...

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Shingara
02.13.2012 , 09:02 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Frostvein View Post
1, They have regulations they adhere to for the health and safety of their game, absolutely. In this market, games that are released that are missing these features typically don't do well and even some of the ones that DO don't always make out for whatever reason.

2, UI customization/combat logs (which has been available in MMO's for years, going on decades) aren't really "optional extras", they are standards. A cross-realm LFG and perhaps even recount would be more of what of an optional extra.

The point is, this game is fairly good and is riding its IP. Sooner or later that is going to wear off. Look around already, many complaints from people who LOVE the game are centered around a lack of people being in game.
Still stands you cant adhere to saying but if this car or that truck or this motorbike etc, totaly diff beasts. UI cust is coming, and the point is this is a new game and you cant expect everything in at once, games that try to throw everything in at launch normally drop on there faces as they try todo to much at once and get swamped under bugs.

This game realeased with more then most mmos do at launch and is just keeping ontop of the bugs, they are releasing things step by step. I personally dont mind people comparing it to wow, rift or anything else but when you compare something it has to be subjective to the subject matter.
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Meldwyn
02.13.2012 , 09:12 AM | #192
I think car analogies are perfect for this... here's why (my opinion and perspective)

Let's take one example of a new car company that wanted to be in the market... Lexus.

Can you imagine if Lexus wanted to compete with Cadillac and BMW, but had manual transmissions, no intermittent wipers, no leather seats, no power steering, no navigation systems, etc... Basically, no luxury components (or what some might call standard features today). Could they possibly be in the same category and want to appeal to the same customer base as the other manufacturers in that space? Not a chance.

Now, if Lexus came out and wanted to compete with Saturn (when they existed), they could easily not include those features, cause those might be options on Saturns too. However, would they distinguish themselves and drive customers to their product as opposed to other car manufacturers in that same space? Probably not, unless price was a difference.

With games competing for the same customers in the same space, you need to compete with one of two things... Price or features.

SW is the same price as the other subscription based MMO's. So, then they need features that are either compatible, or better than their competitors.

Do they have features that are better or at least compete with their competitors? Some maybe, but by and large, no, they don't. Thus, based upon features (that may or may not be standard now in other games in the same space), SW comes up a little shy and will not compete well long term (unless they implement them soon).

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Shingara
02.13.2012 , 09:13 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
I think car analogies are perfect for this... here's why (my opinion and perspective)

Let's take one example of a new car company that wanted to be in the market... Lexus.

Can you imagine if Lexus wanted to compete with Cadillac and BMW, but had manual transmissions, no intermittent wipers, no leather seats, no power steering, no navigation systems, etc... Basically, no luxury components (or what some might call standard features today). Could they possibly be in the same category and want to appeal to the same customer base as the other manufacturers in that space? Not a chance.

Now, if Lexus came out and wanted to compete with Saturn (when they existed), they could easily not include those features, cause those might be options on Saturns too. However, would they distinguish themselves and drive customers to their product as opposed to other car manufacturers in that same space? Probably not, unless price was a difference.

With games competing for the same customers in the same space, you need to compete with one of two things... Price or features.

SW is the same price as the other subscription based MMO's. So, then they need features that are either compatible, or better than their competitors.

Do they have features that are better or at least compete with their competitors? Some maybe, but by and large, no, they don't. Thus, based upon features (that may or may not be standard now in other games in the same space), SW comes up a little shy and will not compete well long term (unless they implement them soon).
Fail, lexus are toyota.
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Meldwyn
02.13.2012 , 09:15 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Fail, lexus are toyota.
Insert any manufacturer you want... analogy is an analogy...

/sigh...

some people, thick heads...

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Shingara
02.13.2012 , 09:16 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
Insert any manufacturer you want... analogy is an analogy...

/sigh...

some people, thick heads...
Nope, still fail, lexus are and always have been toyota, they are there prestige car department, they created it because certain markets couldnt see toyotas as being prestiages car makers so they created lexus brand name.

And it dont matter who you put in for a car manufacturer, they all have there bottom of the range and top of the range models.
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Meldwyn
02.13.2012 , 09:19 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Nope, still fail, lexus are and always have been toyota, they are there prestige car department, they created it because certain markets couldnt see toyotas as being prestiages car makers so they created lexus brand name.
You are stuck on one aspect of the post, probably on purpose. Your opinion about the post, is simply that, your opinion (regardless if it is fact that Lexus is a Toyota product). Analogy still stands.

Fail at troll attempt on your part!

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defiantlegacy
02.13.2012 , 09:20 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobbergs View Post
BUT stop saying that SW:ToR is a failed game because they don't have all this, while for example WoW does. WoW had NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING, of this at launch.
Entirely irrelevant, the genre was nowhere near as progressed then as it is now and there was very little to compare it to.

Since WoWs launch almost 8 years ago MANY advances have been made and alot more of those advances should have been present in SWTOR.
Its called evolution
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Shingara
02.13.2012 , 09:21 AM | #198
Meldwyn, your analogy fails time after time. as has been pointed out, if you take out all the health and safety regulations of what has to be there and then see what is left as optional extras you basically have radio, sat nav and tinted windows.
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gaalon
02.13.2012 , 09:24 AM | #199
@OP:

People are whining for comfortable seats, a hand brake, efficient fuel usage, a speedometer, air-bags etc etc. And I understand that, cause I want those things aswell.

BUT stop saying that Ferrari is a failed car because they don't have all this, while for example Chrysler does. Chrysler had NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING, of this at launch.


Sorry to call you back to reality friend but this is 2012 and the MMO-market has developed (a bit at least) since the release of WOW.

In other words: a non-crap company doesn't have to release an MMO that can (or in the case of SWTOR can't) compete with WOW in 2004. They need to release an MMO that can compete with WOW in the present.

Anything else is a slap in the face - especially if the trash product (SWTOR) costs the same or more then WOW does.

Would you buy a car with the same features as a car in the 70ties while paying the same price as a modern car costs? I sure as hell wouldn't...

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Frostvein
02.13.2012 , 09:28 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Meldwyn, your analogy fails time after time. as has been pointed out, if you take out all the health and safety regulations of what has to be there and then see what is left as optional extras you basically have radio, sat nav and tinted windows.
You are being deliberately obtuse.

Bottom line - ToR was released without several key and many other minor features, and peoples complaints about a 300 million dollar project missing these things are valid.

Now please, go ahead and tell me how something as simple as a combat log was not included in the shipped product and why it that is ok and acceptable in 2012.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat -

"The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"