Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

WHY so many tokens at bags?what about the ppl that worked hard for their gear?

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > PvP
WHY so many tokens at bags?what about the ppl that worked hard for their gear?

Puppup's Avatar


Puppup
02.08.2012 , 11:34 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Tzou View Post
haha.
i took tzou as nick cause its a shortcut from an old cartton i used to watch.

u are stupid if u think i took it to insult other ppl.

or u are someone that is looking to insult others with any way he can find.
It's not fair!

Here I got through grade school, jr and sr high, college, and grad school.

Learned to spell and everything.

But here you are butchering my hard work with your easymode chat.

Jestunhi's Avatar


Jestunhi
02.08.2012 , 11:36 AM | #152
This must be about the hordes of "casuals" who have 60 valor?

No?

Then how are they going to gear up to hardcore levels?


This change makes it easier for the "hardcore" to get that last piece which they currently have a pve item in as well as making it easier for new 50's to gear.


If you are so hardcore why are you whining on an internet forum about how the big bad casuals are going to be able to access gear?
Quote: Originally Posted by AlyxDinas View Post
Jestunhi's responses might be just about the the most asinine and pigheaded responses I've ever read on a forum.

Delavager's Avatar


Delavager
02.08.2012 , 11:39 AM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by anstalt View Post
Battlemaster gear is still better than champion gear which is still better than centurion gear.


Centurion gear just became extremely easy to acquire and now provides the appopriate on-ramp for fresh 50s. Fresh 50s will now spend less time getting rolf-stomped purely due to gear. Champions and BMs will still beat them due to gear, but not by as much.

Champion gear still takes a long time to get but it is now less random and more steady progression.

Battlemaster gear is still very time consuming to acquire and still requires valor 60. You're ability to grind all day long and get lucky on bags has not been diminished: future battlemasters will still have to do it and you can still be "proud" that you did it first.


So, whilst I agree with the general principle that gear should be too easy to acquire, in reality your arguement is moot because top gear is still hard to acquire (read: time consuming) and the easy gear is easier to acquire which reduces the gear gap which is a good thing!
This is exactly what I was going to say. The patch didn't change anything for BM gear, so what exactly are you complaining about. It is EXACTLY the same for BM gear.

Please delete this thread.

Thisisxonaz's Avatar


Thisisxonaz
02.08.2012 , 11:44 AM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by Roak View Post
no one worked hard for their gear, you may or may not have worked long for it, but not hard.
How about the fact that on my server, for armaments we have to fight large groups of republics, we can't even get to the armaments so we gain them through pvp.

The fact is, anyone who geared before this patch has just been scammed.

Delavager's Avatar


Delavager
02.08.2012 , 11:57 AM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by Thisisxonaz View Post
How about the fact that on my server, for armaments we have to fight large groups of republics, we can't even get to the armaments so we gain them through pvp.

The fact is, anyone who geared before this patch has just been scammed.
How were you scammed.

(Warning I'm going to prove you dead wrong after this)

Tzou's Avatar


Tzou
02.08.2012 , 12:17 PM | #156
i return all the flames u posted for me...and i wlecome all of u that tried to chat with suggestions.

forums at all games wil lbe always the same thing, since ppl are allowed to flame and ofc say their crap without reading 1st.

i explained tons of times i didnt like RNG,i wasnt eqquiped at my 65 lvl and i wasnt lucky.

when im saying i worked hard i mean that i tried alot and not that playing a game is actually working.

but here and not only, ppl are trying to be ********es and forum pros,since at game they cant do something serious.

its typical and i found it at all games i played.

when someone dont wont to understand ,finds several excuses to offend others EVEN if he does understand.

in any case i welcome u all to flame someone that finds NOT fair the new system cause ppl can be equiped in a blink of an eye.

i red all posts and most of ppl just flamed without reading.

ill try to say again:i didnt like rng cause i was also unlucky and pissed.i dont like how open pvp is atm and i think it needs major improovment.
i wasnt geard .at 65 lvl i had 300 exp.im still not full geared but i liked the challenge it had before patch.with 15 tokens when u open a BM bag i find it silly.
most of u dont realize that not all with BM title is actually BM geared.

in general almost all of u look only your finger and not behind it.

but some ppl here got what i was trying to say..easy games dies fast.hard games not.

and this is way too easy now for a gear(champ) that is almost as good as BM.

my 2 cents ...

ps:and to be exact someone even tried to find out what tzou means.fomr me its a shortcut of a cartoon i used to watch.fomr him i was flaming chinese ppl.
this is what kind of ppl usually post here..

DarthHarlem's Avatar


DarthHarlem
02.08.2012 , 12:23 PM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Swijr View Post
I can't even understand your comments. The lack of basic grammar is painful.


The bag change is perfect. I'm a lvl 50 and can now at least get the Centurion gear for set bonuses while I wait to finish off my champ set. Meanwhile, we get to do it all over again at 60 valor (currently at 54).

Your complaint makes no sense since the bags were all RNG and literally ANYONE could get ANYTHING during a bag open. So you power leveled to 50. Opened 200 bags, have a full champ set and some noob comes up with 10 valor and has the exact same gear as you. It's all an RNG....


Your point is lost and just has no validity.


Swijr
This post nailed it all. Nothing else should have been said after this.

Either way, have any of you posters considered the OP might be a kid or a teenager? That would explain his horrible grammar and poor understanding of random drops compared to actual grinding to earn gear.

The pvp system in this game is not about easy or hard, its random.
Grand Lord Darth Harlem the Sith Juggernaut

Major Fred'Doyle Trooper

Delavager's Avatar


Delavager
02.08.2012 , 12:26 PM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by Tzou View Post
i return all the flames u posted for me...and i wlecome all of u that tried to chat with suggestions.

forums at all games wil lbe always the same thing, since ppl are allowed to flame and ofc say their crap without reading 1st.

i explained tons of times i didnt like RNG,i wasnt eqquiped at my 65 lvl and i wasnt lucky.

when im saying i worked hard i mean that i tried alot and not that playing a game is actually working.

but here and not only, ppl are trying to be ********es and forum pros,since at game they cant do something serious.

its typical and i found it at all games i played.

when someone dont wont to understand ,finds several excuses to offend others EVEN if he does understand.

in any case i welcome u all to flame someone that finds NOT fair the new system cause ppl can be equiped in a blink of an eye.

i red all posts and most of ppl just flamed without reading.

ill try to say again:i didnt like rng cause i was also unlucky and pissed.i dont like how open pvp is atm and i think it needs major improovment.
i wasnt geard .at 65 lvl i had 300 exp.im still not full geared but i liked the challenge it had before patch.with 15 tokens when u open a BM bag i find it silly.
most of u dont realize that not all with BM title is actually BM geared.

in general almost all of u look only your finger and not behind it.

but some ppl here got what i was trying to say..easy games dies fast.hard games not.

and this is way too easy now for a gear(champ) that is almost as good as BM.

my 2 cents ...
This is the problem, you think other people are flaming you. It's a simple fact that what you stated is purely wrong, it's not a matter of opinion.

You stated it's easier for others to get what you got and you worked hard for your battlemasters etc.

EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID TO GET BATTLEMASTERS. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES TO BATTLEMASTERS.

You are just wrong. Are we supposed to accept your falsities because you want to be right?

Tzou's Avatar


Tzou
02.08.2012 , 12:31 PM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by Delavager View Post
This is the problem, you think other people are flaming you. It's a simple fact that what you stated is purely wrong, it's not a matter of opinion.

You stated it's easier for others to get what you got and you worked hard for your battlemasters etc.

EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID TO GET BATTLEMASTERS. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES TO BATTLEMASTERS.

You are just wrong. Are we supposed to accept your falsities because you want to be right?
ppl flamed its a fact.some didnt and i tried to explain myself to them.maybe im wrong but im here to talk about it.

many many ppl flamed my grammar(which is bad i know it)and many others even cursed me and said :watch out we are coming to get u etc etc..

just read.

if im wrong pls try to make me understand it cause now i cant.all i see is 15 tokens in BM bags that makes champ gear easy to get.and not all with BM title are full BM.
so new patch equalized ppl with 70 valor and ppl with 1 valor.
thats all i see, cause champ and BM gear has no big differences.

in any case im out..i cant stand the way ppl talk to forums.
zero conversation and tons of e-heroes.

_droider_'s Avatar


_droider_
02.08.2012 , 12:41 PM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Puppup View Post
It's not fair!

Here I got through grade school, jr and sr high, college, and grad school.

Learned to spell and everything.

But here you are butchering my hard work with your easymode chat.
The only thing that means anything in this thread.

On topic:

The only people that wanted to maintain the RNG system are the people that got lucky. I happen to be one of those (6 non-dupe champ in < 12 bags in my first 24hrs @50), but I'm also okay with the new system. It provides a sense of accomplishment when you actually gear up. When you play games like FFXI and EVE, there is a very tangible feeling that comes with getting elite gear/ships. Never once have I had that feeling from WoW, RIFT, Aion, or SWTOR as of yet. When gear is essentially given to you, all you can think about is wanting more, faster. And when that doesn't happen, the **** storm ensues. Would I not mind having the RNG system back? Hell no...I'd milk my luck for as long as I'd get it. Is it right? No it's not, because I'm part of a minority and a system should not be biased towards the minority (hai2u guilty American employers). They made the right move. Centurion is a joke, but it's better than questing gear and should be only marginally harder to get (i.e. a couple bags per, instead of 1 quest per). Who gives a **** if people are full centurion a couple days into 50? If you're a couple weeks into 50, you should be much better geared.

Somewhat off topic:

I can't wait for ranked (tiered) WZ matches. After a couple months, this new bag system should be able to gauge a person's gear quality by looking at their valor rank. So having tiers split up by 1-39, 40-49, 50-59, 60+ or even just 1-59, and 60+...should be a lot of fun. That is the biggest thing I look forward to in PvP.