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Dear BioWare, I am... bored.

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Enochx
02.08.2012 , 04:03 PM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by Clownevil View Post
Another QQ post about a player who got to 50 as fast as he could and now is bored. This is why i visit the forums once a month. Itrs the same repeat offenders, same posts, same QQ with a different title.

I have 1 50 and enjoying lvl'n 7 other toons. Good Job Bioware. keep it up.
I agree with you evil clown or whatever you are. This game is great. The best part is IT JUST LAUNCHED PEOPLE IT WILL ONLY GET BETTER!!! did WoW have this much content at launch? sick of the wow comparisons....fine. Did STO have this much content at launch? did Rift? Did conan? Did CoH? CoV? DC online? freaking Runescape fer godssake? NO. Did they have bugs? Lots of bugs? about the same if not More (I am leaning towards more) bugs than this game? YES.

Give it time people. Seriously. It's your own fault for rushing to level 50. I started playing the second day of early access and I pretty much play a little bit everyday. I have a three year old, a full time job, a fiance, a life but I still get at least a couple hours in a night. All I have is a lvl 35 assassin and a lvl 29 warrior. I was also in full time Beta since October. That means I have played through Korriban, drommand kaas, balmorra close to 25 times. I still enjoy them all....sure not as much as the first time but come on what do you expect? A new game every week? If thats what you want become a member of Gamefly.

We are not even two months into the game yet and everyone is clamoring for more content. it takes time. If you can't wait, then take a break from teh game. Thats the only advice I got for ya dude. You rushed through to lvl 50. Maybe instead of pouring that many hours into the game you should spend more time with your kids and wife and dog. go outside. fly a kite. plant a tree. invent cold fusion. sudoko. chess. battlship. anything. (and you have to pour a significant amount of time into the game in order to be 50. like I said...second day early access and only a lvl 35 and a 29. AND I have basically been playing the game since Oct so I have done my fair share of spacebarring...at the beginning)

Give it time. Content will come. Bioware wont TRY to add more content. They WILL add more content. DO OR DO NOT...THERE IS NO TRY.
Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says, "Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it."

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Sirsri
02.08.2012 , 04:04 PM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by Marlaine View Post
Well, SWG didn't have any raids either. I really couldn't comment on some of the others (e.g. daoc, AC) since I didn't play them. Regardless, it really doesn't take much to figure out an activity a minority of the population participates in doesn't do much for the game as a whole. There's a reason why D2 had millions of people playing while EQ had 400k, and that reason has nothing to do with D2 being free.

I'm sorry but I will never support a system that artificially locks out a large portion of the playerbase. I don't know how ANYONE can think that locking out the vast majority from end-game could ever be a good thing.
SWG was never a major MMO. That's why they shut down and SWTOR took over, LucasArts I'm sure spent the last 6 years looking for a way out of the 10 year exclusive licence they sold SOE. BioWare and EA, and LucasArts aren't in this to make a 500k user product. If SWTOR can't hold 2 million subscribers don't expect it to stick around too long. The way I crunch the numbers, their breakeven point is 1.5 million right now. (400 employees, bioWare churn is about 12k/month, then you have all the support staff, cut down 30% from sub fees for the hardware and bandwidth, which would be roughly simutronics cut if they're farming it out, or about the same cost for EA to host all of its own stuff, etc.). They've had a few 10's to small hundred or so million in advertising, retail, all of the CSR support staff at EA mythic and galway, the 300 million or so they spent developing this, lucasarts cut etc.

D2, if you mean diablo 2, is a whole other creature. It's not an MMO in any of the senses that the big guys in this business are. It has a huge playerbase in part because its free, in part because it's a much bigger worldwide audience than TOR (which is only in 3 languages), and is a completely different type of non persistent world. Persistent character sure, but not world.

I'm not sure what you are saying with locking people out of content? Raids in TOR don't lock anyone out particularly beyond the obvious weekly lock stuff. You only need 8 people to do raids, and in basically any random assortment of gear, and with really wacky raid comps (3 tanks 3 heals, 2 dps, is probably possible if everyone has crafted '124' purples) you can do everything on normal mode except G4-B3 and (by extension Karagga). It's not quite WoW raid finder simplicity, but pretty close.

So I don't accept your premise that this isn't how you make money or keep subscribers, and I don't accept the premise that tor is somehow excluding people from the endgame. far from it, it's very accessible.

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Jalliah
02.08.2012 , 04:04 PM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by ShaftyMcShaft View Post
1) you are easily entertained.

2) leveling is primarily a solo activity. paying a monthly subscription for a single-player game is lawl for me and something I wouldn't do....so every person should be just like me (because I'm so awesome of course) and think it's lawl too or else they're like stupid or something...because you know I define what everyone in the world should think is stupid.
fixed that for you...

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Razot
02.08.2012 , 04:05 PM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMeerkat View Post
YEAH!!!


Thats why RIFT, LOTRO and SWTOR are all failures while games like Darkfall, Ryzom and TERA have millions of subs.
I messed around with RIFT a bit and i doubt they have the sub numbers of EVE. LOTRO is FTP is it not? Tera is not in US yet. So whats your point?

Having a huge number of subs does not make it a good game.

Look at all the MMO's that have followed the WoW formula and all but Rift have failed. I do not see that trend fading with this game either.

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Snibb
02.08.2012 , 04:12 PM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by djsmileey View Post
Lol, you just don't seem to get it.

Your post / thread serves what purpose?

If it's to help the game, you are in the wrong place. I can't say it any more basic than that.
Without complaints, no change would ever happen... there's your purpose right there. The devs know of the overall climate of the forums, and they do listen from time to time.
Edited for a typo.
Let the shoosting begin!

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djsmileey
02.08.2012 , 04:14 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Snibb View Post
Without complaints, no change would ever happy... there's your purpose right there. The devs know of the overall climate of the forums, and they do listen from time to time.
I never once questioned that.

I said he is in the WRONG PLACE.

There are proper channels for making suggestions to the game, GENERAL DISCUSSION is the worst possible place to get that. He is trolling and wants attention, nothing more.
If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me.

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Sirsri
02.08.2012 , 04:16 PM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
I messed around with RIFT a bit and i doubt they have the sub numbers of EVE. LOTRO is FTP is it not? Tera is not in US yet. So whats your point?

Having a huge number of subs does not make it a good game.

Look at all the MMO's that have followed the WoW formula and all but Rift have failed. I do not see that trend fading with this game either.
Actually rift at the end of 2011 had more subs, by almost a factor of 2 than EVE. EVE is only about 350k and they are very different than any other game. They aim for a completely different and very small market.

The only MMO's that don't flutter around some small fraction of the MMO market are WoW, Runescape and Aion, and runescape one could argue is only around 5% of the total MMO market.

Everyone else, to hold a decent set of their subscriber base are either completely different than most MMO's (second life, Eve, Dofus) or they are similar to wow/EQ (lineage, Aion, way down the list the final fantasy games.


MMOdata.net hasn't been updated for february with SWTOR numbers yet but their december data is still up and probably good enough for this discussion since SWTOR isn't really competing in the asian markets.

The only other products that have even hit 2 million subs are Lineage I and 2 (and back in 2001-2005 era), WoW, Aion, and then some Asian (china I think) only MMO's. SWTOR is about 1.7 million so they're doing not too badly with the plan so far, considering it has only been 2 months.

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DarthMeerkat
02.08.2012 , 04:16 PM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
I messed around with RIFT a bit and i doubt they have the sub numbers of EVE. LOTRO is FTP is it not? Tera is not in US yet. So whats your point?

Having a huge number of subs does not make it a good game.

Look at all the MMO's that have followed the WoW formula and all but Rift have failed. I do not see that trend fading with this game either.
WAR was really the only game that came out in the last 6 years that you could really say failed with major hype backing it, and towards the end of my time playing on the first month there was massive amounts of people saying that they were quitting. I didn't see this in TOR.

To your point I am going to use X Fire and a bit of guestamating.

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massi...player_online/

Both LOTRO and EvE have about the same amount of people according to it. Backed up a bit by http://www.mmodata.net/.

Now Both LOTRO and RIFT have the same number of servers, hence I would assume they have (Around) the same amount of people, which is anywhere between 300k and 400k.

WAR was, in reality the only major failure in the last 6 year.
DDE

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Tic-
02.08.2012 , 04:24 PM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by djsmileey View Post
I never once questioned that.

I said he is in the WRONG PLACE.

There are proper channels for making suggestions to the game, GENERAL DISCUSSION is the worst possible place to get that. He is trolling and wants attention, nothing more.
Yet the mods disagree...?

At least they have 26 pages in, in a day where they seem to have been moving quite a few posts around. If it was trolling, it would be gone, no?

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RXXL
02.08.2012 , 04:28 PM | #260
I am in agreement (unfortunately) with the OP. I absolutely love star wars, but lately I have noticed that I am playing less. I just dont have any interest. I lvled my consular to cap, tried other classes/factions but for me the gameplay is just not very much fun. And that really sucks because I really *really* want to love this game. But as the OP said, its just the same old same old. The main story feels soooo disjointed that it doesnt compel me to see whats next. The IA story was going well but the gameplay did it in for me. Its just not engaging Makes me sad because I really want it to be. Im gonna keep my sub goin though for I think about six months at the least as I will want to check it out once in awhile and see whats happening.

There's just no mystery or intrigue in this game and again, makes me sad.