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How likely will it be for a Jedi/Sith to dual-wield?

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How likely will it be for a Jedi/Sith to dual-wield?

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Verrell
02.06.2012 , 08:14 PM | #1
I know originally lightsabers were intended to be heavy, but that idea was scrapped. Just in general, I see many Jedi/Sith -- those who are heavy hitters as well as the agile ones -- wield only a single saber. I am also aware that a few people dual wield...keyword is few. Same goes for double-bladed lightsabers, but my focus is on dual-wielding in this case.

Why is this? Why is it that so many Jedi/Sith only use one lightsaber, and the likes of dual-wielding are pretty much seen in random video games, or a cartoon? Yet in the movies, the most iconic of characters, aren't dual-wielding?
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Halofax
02.06.2012 , 08:16 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Verrell View Post
I know originally lightsabers were intended to be heavy, but that idea was scrapped. Just in general, I see many Jedi/Sith -- those who are heavy hitters as well as the agile ones -- wield only a single saber. I am also aware that a few people dual wield...keyword is few. Same goes for double-bladed lightsabers, but my focus is on dual-wielding in this case.

Why is this? Why is it that so many Jedi/Sith only use one lightsaber, and the likes of dual-wielding are pretty much seen in random video games, or a cartoon? Yet in the movies, the most iconic of characters, aren't dual-wielding?
The cost of cgi on two lightsabers is more than one.

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Verrell
02.06.2012 , 08:29 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Halofax View Post
The cost of cgi on two lightsabers is more than one.
Yeah I heard about that. I meant lore-wise. Whats the chances of a Jedi or a Sith dual-wielding? Outside of the movies, I see a lot of force users still using single sabers, so much so that any other variation doesn't feel traditional at all. In another sense, take the SWTOR trailers for example. For the most part you see tons upon tons of Jedi/Sith using a single saber. The only time anyone dual wields is when they pick up someone else's saber (which still indicates that they walk around with only one saber).
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Quething
02.06.2012 , 08:33 PM | #4
Dual-wielding is a fantasy convention. In real life humans mostly lack the strength and coordination to effectively make offensive use of both hands at once. Real life duelists who use a mainhand sword and an offhand "weapon" use a very light blade for primarily defensive use, with only the main hand dedicated to offense. True dual-wielders who use two weapons offensively use two light weapons, nothing the size or weight of a sword.

So it's kind of hard to get an actor to fake a good two-sword attack routine for the duration of a movie, especially compared with how easy it is to make a video game sprite do so.

(Lightstaves are even worse, at least with a usable middle as short as the one video games give them.)

So the iconic images, which mostly come from the movies after all, are going to be largely single saber, and any cinematics that want to touch on that iconic image are going to copy that.

But it looks neat and feels fun as a player to bash stuff with two blades at once. So you see a lot more dual-wielding in games than other media.

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eldisper
02.06.2012 , 08:36 PM | #5
hard to say since this took place 3000 yrs before darth vadar. kind of a assumation of how water will be delievered 1000 yrs from now.
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Marak
02.06.2012 , 09:24 PM | #6
Most people aren't ambidextrous enough for starters. On top of that you are limiting yourself drastically by having to focus on more than one "sharp" object. Keep in mind that in weapon-play a vast majority of the skill and focus is in not hurting yourself. It is far easier to keep track of one blade twirling around, and thus not chopping yourself in half accidentally, than it is to keep track of two. Think of it like juggling. Toss one ball up into the air and it's easy to handle. Add another and the difficulty goes up dramatically.

And there is little to no upside to this handicap. Flailing about like a crazy person is just going to leave you wide open to attack.

The people that are real "dual wielders" in fencing are basically just using their main gauche (short pointy offhand dagger with a trapping hilt) as a defensive object. Yes they might throw in the RARE attack with it, but only as a feint to open up an attack with their rapier/estoc.

If you were to try this with katanas or longswords you'd just end up either chopping yourself in half or quickly leaving yourself open for your opponent to do it.

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OwenP
02.06.2012 , 10:13 PM | #7
True, it is not practical in reality to wield 2 sabers, and as others point out most 'humans' lack the coordination and skill required but we are talking about force users who have the force to guide and coordinate them.

I'm drawing from memory here; (POSSIBLE SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ THE NOVELS): but in the Darth Bane book series he made his appretice learn to weild a double bladed light saber primarily to confuse and baffle their single-saber weilding Jedi and Sith enemies because they would not have faced such a weapon in the recent past, possibly not in several generations (also since it is so rare to have any dual weild or double end blades as others have pointed out) Since they have not faced such a weapon during their training or active 'service', the weilder was at an instant advantage even if their mastery of the force was at a lower level, say the apprentice facing a Jedi Knight (or her own Master....).

That being said, I agree it is a 'fantasy' act and one I enjoy with my Sith Warrior. The practicalities aside, the animations are fun to watch and I sometimes enjoy watching my warrior fight so much I forget to keep an eye on his health bar!

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Verrell
02.07.2012 , 11:38 AM | #8
How about any Jedi/Sith in particular that normally walks around with two lightsabers due to the fact that they are skilled enough to use such a form? I'm trying to find some in actual Star Wars lore. Because as it stands, the only time I really see dual-wielding is when a Jedi/Sith temporarily uses another's lightsaber in sync with their own.

Actual characters, please. I'm not big on that whole "canon" thing but I'm trying to find actual characters. No starskillers.
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LyriaFrost
02.07.2012 , 11:51 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Quething View Post
Dual-wielding is a fantasy convention. In real life humans mostly lack the strength and coordination to effectively make offensive use of both hands at once. Real life duelists who use a mainhand sword and an offhand "weapon" use a very light blade for primarily defensive use, with only the main hand dedicated to offense. True dual-wielders who use two weapons offensively use two light weapons, nothing the size or weight of a sword.
That's not entirely true. The florentine fighting style taught how to use sword and dagger, and use both offensively. The niten ichi-ryu style developed by Musashi included a dual-wielding style as well, using a katana in one hand and a wakizashi in the other, using both offensively. Wing chun sword style also can focus on twin butterfly swords (which would be classified as 'shortswords', really).

While historically it's nowhere NEAR as common as it is in fantasy/movies, it wasn't something that was completely alien, nor was it limited to two light weapons.

*adjusts her nerd glasses*

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LordSoviet
02.07.2012 , 11:54 AM | #10
aayla secura uses 2.. and shes in the clone wars