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"Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."

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smartalectwo
02.06.2012 , 06:34 PM | #11
It made a lot of sense to me, and still does.

Here's the whole bit of dialogue:

***

Anakin: "I have bought peace, freedom, and justice to my new empire!"

Obi-Wan: "'Your new Empire'?"

A: "Don't make me kill you."

O: "Anakin, my allegiance is to the Senate, to democracy!"

A: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy."

O: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must."

***

Now, it's not speaking in absolutes, but dealing in absolutes that's the problem. As in, applying an absolute view of the galaxy to your daily doings, without any form of compromise.

What he's trying to tell Anakin is that Jedi deal in compromises, and that if Anakin would just allow him a way to end their confrontation without having to fight, he'd gladly take it.
But because Anakin is acting like a Sith and seeing the world in absolute terms - my way, or the highway - then he's not giving Obi-Wan any other choice.
There is no try.

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TheNevet
02.06.2012 , 08:29 PM | #12
I remember when the movie came out some of the critics said that they thought it was Lucas calling George W. Bush an evil sith. Cause that's when he was saying that "you're either with us or against us" line in his speeches all the time which was a threat against countries that harbor terrorists.

So it was probably political.

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undeadsithdread
02.06.2012 , 08:40 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by TheNevet View Post
I remember when the movie came out some of the critics said that they thought it was Lucas calling George W. Bush an evil sith. Cause that's when he was saying that "you're either with us or against us" line in his speeches all the time which was a threat against countries that harbor terrorists.

So it was probably political.
it is an evil act itself.


some people don't want side with either usa or the terrorest whats their fault with this?
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Gantoris_Aym
02.07.2012 , 12:49 AM | #14
"Only a Sith deals in Absolutes" is an absolute. Saying an Absolute is an action that involves dealing with an absolute, and therefore a logical fallacy unless Obiwan is admitting he's a Sith.

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info_man
02.07.2012 , 12:55 AM | #15
I dont know, the way I took the line is sith only know how to feed off emotion (absolutes as in "I'm mad" ..I'm lustful"...ect) while Jedi meditate and what not. This to me is true, and the line does make sense to me.
To better describe it...with sith everything is labeled, with Jedi it is supposed to be in theory anyway, far more complex.

Which is ironic to me because Palp planned everything and got what he wanted through cold calculations through dozens of years.

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smartalectwo
02.07.2012 , 12:17 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Gantoris_Aym View Post
"Only a Sith deals in Absolutes" is an absolute. Saying an Absolute is an action that involves dealing with an absolute, and therefore a logical fallacy unless Obiwan is admitting he's a Sith.
However, dealing with absolutes does not equal dealing in absolutes.
There is no try.

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nethervoid
02.07.2012 , 12:24 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by smartalectwo View Post
However, dealing with absolutes does not equal dealing in absolutes.
I think what he/she is saying is Only means one or the other, which is an absolute.
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ErikModi
02.07.2012 , 12:35 PM | #18
The point of "Do, or do not, there is no try" is that when you decide to do something, you should commit to seeing it through. "I'll try," is most often an excuse, a show of effort, a shrug, followed by "Well, I tried." It is failure before the attempt is even made. Instead deciding to "try," decide to "do." Then, if you fail, you did put all your effort into the endeavor, instead of just the minimal amount required to say you "tried."

As for "only a Sith deals in absolutes," it is part of a much larger context of similarly self-defeating statements. "There's an exception to every rule," "there are no absolutes," etc. Well, if there's an exception to every rule, isn't there an exception to the rule that there's an exception to every rule, creating a rule that has no exceptions? If there are no absolutes, then it is not absolute that there are no absolutes, thus there IS an absolute?

Thus, if there is an exception to every rule, and only a Sith deals in absolutes, the exception to the rule that "only a Sith deals in absolutes" is Obi-Wan saying that "only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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DarkCarnage
02.07.2012 , 12:49 PM | #19
that complet bull crap we do not deal in absoluetes !!!

btw i am sith :P
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Liquidacid
02.07.2012 , 12:59 PM | #20
it's like a mantra or proverb and not meant to be taken literally

it's like Yoda saying "No! Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try."

You cannot do without trying first
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