Why even make a Jedi?

I agree.

It seems to me there are basically two types of people who have problems with Jedi's in this game.

Ones who don't like the concept at all, and ones who play though the first 8-12 levels and decide that's all there is to the story/character.

People who say the Jedi are without emotion have not played a Jedi much past the teens anyway, because mine at lvl 35 has shown a fair amount of emotion, and has had the chance of getting into a bit of trouble over it.

Nar Shaddaa for example pretty much every time I was talking to the Hutt, at least one option is just dripping with contempt and scorn for the Hutt himself.

I just ignore all the stuff I hate about the Jedi and focus on the stuff I like about them.

What I hate: Most of the boring prequel era revelations about Jedi that just sucked all the fun out of them. All the stupid Buddhist jargon that completely clashes with the science/fantasy background. Making them into zen saints was a bad decision, because people have difficulty relating to saints. It also makes them difficult to role-play because they're driven by motivations that people simply don't relate to at all. Turning them into monks was just a bad call. Taking away their emotions was a worse call. Played straight, Jedi are now boring. Emotionless doesn't have to be dull, like in the case of the clerics from Equilibrium, but I have yet to see an in-game example that does anything with it.


What I like: When I was a kid, I assumed Jedi Knights were literal chivalric Knights who wandered around the galaxy having adventures. You know, like the knights of the round table but with Lightsabers. I like my version better, so that's what I play my Knight as. If I focus on the stuff that made me like Star wars when I was younger, I can ignore the stuff that irritates the hell out of me now that I'm older.

They are not monks, and they did not have their emotions taken away. My Jedi who is LS III, has shown a fair amount of emotion, and is in no way a monk.

They're not saints. Not by a long shot. They have their foibles, their issues, their hangups. They just strive to be better. Not letting their emotions control them, like they do for the sith. Being calm in the face of danger, rather than screaming and raging or panicking, for instance.

Nobody "took away" their emotions. There are plenty of jedi who show quite a bit of emotion, even in the cinematics and on Tython. Just look around. They're an order of "peaceful warriors", in that they strive to avoid conflict rather than escalate it. But if it comes down to a fight, they're prepared for it, and can throw down with the best of them.

You keep repeating over and over that they're emotionless. It's just not true. Repeating it doesn't make it so.

That's what they are. If them having an ideal somehow "irritates the hell out of you", I don't know what to tell you, other than to say you may not have grown up much, though you've gotten older.

They're been mutated into a laser sword bearing pastiche of xiaolin monks, and Tibetan Buddhism. Brother, they live in a *********** temple in a valley. They recite mantas, and meditate. They live without attachments, and hope to transcend physical reality and become 'luminous beings.' The in-game example who doesn't behave like these tools, Kira Carson isn't

Maybe I'll give Jedi another shot.

I was so turned off by the portrayal of Jedi that after I finished the starter planet I just threw my arms up and said screw this.

George Lucas turned them into Saints. Too noble for the world, too trusting, too pure. Awww, they got betrayed by their troops in the movies. Awww, thousands of years earlier, they got 'deceived' by the Sith and had their temple destroyed. Why do the good always die so young?*


George Lucas took away their emotions by turning them into robotic monks with wooden dialogue. Compare and contrast a Jedi Knight from the prequel series the model of which TOR uses, with: Anyone else from anything else. No one talks like a Jedi. No one.** It's not enough that they have some of the worse dialogue in film history, and a few reeeeally cheesy ones in this game, it's the deadly seriousness with which it is delivered that well-earns the ridicule hoisted on it.


Ah, you're misreading my use of the word. I'm critiquing their presentation. I'm not saying that they are incapable of feeling emotion. I'm saying that they are presented as boring, sanctimonious, dweebs, with the emotional range of a MR. Potato-Head. This view is so in-grained that when one sees someone trying 'not' to behave in this pattern, the instinctive reaction is to tell them they're doing it wrong.


Get the hell off my lawn.


* Which doesn't even begin to cover how silly it is that they can see into the future, but never accurately enough to prevent themselves from getting culled when the script calls for it.

**Seriously, were David Hayter and Nolan North required to consume a half-dozen Xanax tablets apiece to prepare for their roles? Dead, monotonous, presentation. Very nice. Very Jedi.

Well, that's because George Lucas thinks he's a lot better than he is. He's allowed all the people praising him to go to his head, so he wrote that horrible barf-fest that was the prequels. Honestly, I just ignore those. And yes, they had some REEEALLLY bad dialogue. I watched the first one, and it was cringe-worthy. My friends had to actually drag me to see the second one, and I couldn't stand it. I refused to go see the third one.

In the context of TOR, I don't see them behaving that way. I see them as having an ideal that they strive for, and put up on a pedestal, but none of them have actually achieved it. Most of the jedi NPCs I've seen definitely have emotions. They're just not OVERLY-emotional, which follows the whole concept of their goals that they're trying to achieve. If you have to fight, fight, but don't do it out of anger.

There are a few things I'd like to see them tweak a bit (like having the 'spy on your fellow padawans' quest touched up a bit, to have them go into it a bit more, such as saying that attachments can LEAD to over-reacting due to emotion, but attachments in and of themselves aren't 'wrong' or 'dark side', etc). Of course, the girl in that relationship was pretty much in free-fall, judging by her responses...

Chomper, sic balls!

Sorry but the Jedi wanna bees are trying to re write the Jedi code...

THEY DO BELIEVE THERE IS NO EMOTION..

Truly there isnt.

Where does emotion exist? In your mind...

What is in your head really exist?

No you can make anything in your head but it doesn't really exist, nor does passion or that matter.

You are a lie, there is only Me.