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Playing a Sage: why cant I defeat those "Bleeder parts pushers"?

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Playing a Sage: why cant I defeat those "Bleeder parts pushers"?

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ClavisN
02.05.2012 , 05:56 PM | #1
this is driving me crazy:

Playing a sage, average gear, vanilla telekinesis skills at level 24. I'm in Nar Shaddaa. in the red light distric. There are these groups of "Bleeder Parts Pusher": one silver, two normals.

And they kill me every time. They serial-stun and then ignore Qyzen, advance to me and mow me down with vibroswords. I tried every tactic I know. Sometimes I can delay it to the point where the silver guy is dead, but the other two then get me easily. Sometimes Qyzen wakes up and joins the fray, only to get stunned again within a second.

How am I supposed to fight that? I feel totally helpless w/o a tank, and I have no idea what to do to prevent that stunning. Restoration doesn't work. Force Armor doesn't stop the effect. Force wave pushes the guy back, but since he is sliver-star he is not knocked down and just comes back right away. Force stun works, but only once - I die before it comes online again, and the guy comes out of it within seconds.

And, FWIW, I have no idea how to spike damage. I never ever managed to empty my mana pool since becoming sage. I probably could wipe those suckers out if Bioware had given me a spell to burn away my pool at a decent damage/mana ratio within a few seconds - but no such luck.

The heroic cooldown is no solution either, since there are many such groups. This is not a boss, just a normal enemy mob. Even if it helped, the next mob would kill me, again.

Any Ideas? How do you kill these mobs?

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DarthRhaze
02.05.2012 , 06:00 PM | #2
2/10, gave you an extra point for pretending to be serious.
"Kaylee, what the hell's going on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

"I take it ya'll were watching? You see us fight?"

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Achmedtwo
02.05.2012 , 06:07 PM | #3
I would suggest killing the weaker guys first, before going for the silver guy. Also, don't you have a force lift skill that you can pull with, incapacitating one of them while you're killing the other two?

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ClavisN
02.05.2012 , 06:15 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRhaze View Post
2/10, gave you an extra point for pretending to be serious.
Please explain.

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ClavisN
02.05.2012 , 06:19 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Achmedtwo View Post
I would suggest killing the weaker guys first, before going for the silver guy. Also, don't you have a force lift skill that you can pull with, incapacitating one of them while you're killing the other two?
How? Qyzen never gets there, they keep their distance, and I am fully occupied with the futile attempt to survive silver guy's attacks. If I had an one-shot aoe kill power for the small guys like soldiers have, I could start with that, but there is no such thing. Telekinetic Wave only ills them down to 40%.

I just died another two times trying to implement your suggestion. ***...

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UberRod
02.05.2012 , 06:37 PM | #6
Are you sending Quyzen in first to get the aggro?

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ClavisN
02.05.2012 , 06:50 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by UberRod View Post
Are you sending Quyzen in first to get the aggro?
Depends. When opening with force lift (as suggested), not. Else, yes. Not that it helps anyway. When Silver guy is active, he stuns him and proceeds to me.

I now managed to kill one of every 2 groups. Disabled 2 of Qyzen's powers so that he doesn't break the force lift, lifted the silver guy, and cocentrated on the others (even three). Silver guy breaks free from force lift anyway shortly, but its enough to barely survive ... unless something else comes along. In that area there are some silver robots patrolling, and if one of them joins in, I'm still toast.

I really don't get it. Is there nothing I can do to prevent Qyzen fom getting stunned and ignored? Or the wipe the lowlies from the group with the initial attack?

I usually expect to be able to kill groups up to one silver+one gold ... but this one is deadly.

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QuintessaSHeera
02.05.2012 , 06:54 PM | #8
See if you can find a buddy to run through that area with you. Sometimes, that's the best way to go if you are having a really hard time with one section.

Good luck.

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QuiQuaeQuod
02.05.2012 , 06:58 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by ClavisN View Post
they keep their distance
You're a sage... You have almost as much range as a rifleman with your attacks, how is that a problem? xD

But I digress. Usually when I found any problems dealing with AIs it's because I've been below the curve re: my level, usually from skipping quests out of CBA-ness and eagerness to get onto the next planet. Perhaps doing a few space missions and any bonus series you've missed would help; an extra level often makes a lot of difference.

Always kill the weakling followers first, btw, always. The 'boss' enemies in the game may do 50% more damage than an individua weak or standard guys, buy when there are 5 standard guys around with only 8% of the health of the boss, their DPS stacks it's far better for your survival to whizz round the weak enemies and kill them off and then face the boss one-on-one - you can effectively remove much more DPS by killing the minions immediately than trying to rush the boss and escape.

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ClavisN
02.05.2012 , 07:11 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by QuiQuaeQuod View Post
You're a sage... You have almost as much range as a rifleman with your attacks, how is that a problem? xD
The weren't effected by my force wave.

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But I digress. Usually when I found any problems dealing with AIs it's because I've been below the curve re: my level, usually from skipping quests out of CBA-ness and eagerness to get onto the next planet. Perhaps doing a few space missions and any bonus series you've missed would help; an extra level often makes a lot of difference.
Well, Nar Shaddaa is listed as 20-24, and I'm 24 - so that should be right.

But thanks for the suggestion.

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Always kill the weakling followers first, btw, always.
Yep. Thats my strategy, too. Usually.

So, to repeat my question - is there any sage equivalent to the soldier's Mortar Strike (which is ideal for that purpose)?