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SWTOR Damaged My i7 2600K


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Sippix
02.05.2012 , 03:08 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by mArchangel View Post
i7 2600K here. Runs fine no issues. If the GPU gets hot it usually has two reasons: 1. overclock a GPU - does not give you more than 1-2 FPS anyways. Makes me laugh. 2. You override AA with external tools and use SuperSampling. The engine does not support it and the chip will melt through the PCB.

If used in MSAA usually fine, just Alderaan and Voss are taxing and hot since the leaves for whatever stupid reason throw their own shadows. It also reduces FPS signifcantly. In those areas I run blob shadows as workaround. But yeah the game is dangerous for hardware or can be. I think BW knows this and that is also the reason why they removed hires and AA originally. Check GPU temps in cutscenes. Wait for a dialog choice and let it sit there for a while monitoring your temps. Unbelievable. It's amateur BS if you ask me. I would have expected an AWEFUL lot more from BW.

P.S.: Although I agree to an extent I also live by the following: If I feel I need to overclock my system I know it's time to upgrade. But that's just me.
Why was I quoted? I didn't say that overclocking my card has given me significantly more frames over a stock clock. With an overclock to the video card I NEVER get temps over 68c, EVER, even with my stock EVGA fan cooler assembly - That's what I was driving at. What do your stock clock GPU temps get to, since you're mentioning cut scenes?

I built a system that performs great and has never had a single stability issue, even running DDR3 memory at 1866@9-9-9-28 (on an 800MHz clock with 1.654v) utilizing the weird imc i5's have.

Oh, by the way, the "K" Intel chips have fully unlocked multipliers and were specifically designed to be overclocked and are otherwise no different than the non"K" counterpart.

P.S.: So tell me again about how you don't OC your system but you still bought a K-branded processor? How much did that extra letter cost you?
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korrokakita
02.05.2012 , 04:19 AM | #32
I can confirm it's also happening on this PC.

It's got an FX-8120 on stock cooler, and a Radeon HD 6770. It pushes the CPU to 64C+ - and the game has to be shut off periodically. It's gotten worse since the patch. GPU temp is 88C. Neither are overlocked, the PC is store bought and neither have any issues or overheating with any other game or process. This is ONLY with TOR.

Something has to be done, I'm worried about the life of my components with this.

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IvamAkorahil
02.05.2012 , 04:38 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by CrispyC View Post
I've come to the conclusion that this game is literally dangerous to run on a gaming PC.

I know that can sound hard to believe for some, but let me explain.

To begin, here are my system specs:

Intel Core i7 2600K
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro heatsink/fan
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 motherboard
16GB Mushkin Blackline 2133MHz DDR3
2 x EVGA GTX460 1GB in SLI
Crucial M4 128GB SATA3 SSD 6Gb/s
WD Raptor Enterprise 10K RPM SATA3 3Gb/s
Creative XFi Platinum
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Cooler Master HAF932 Gaming Tower
Cooler Master 850W 80Plus Certified PSU
etc.



So what's my problem?

I have, previously before playing SWTOR, been able to reliably overclock my processor to 4.5GHz with absolutely no stability issues whatsoever. My system was solid as a rock for at least six months prior, through many hours of maxed out and heavily tweaked Skyrim, through playing Battlefield 3, through RAGE, etc. My system was so stable I could leave it sitting in any one of those games, video cards also healthily overclocked, and not have a single worry.

, especially with VSync disabled, my system fans speeds would definitely shoot up, with GPU temps often approaching 80C. This is okay for short gameplay sessions, but definitely not okay for hours on end.


BioWare, thanks a lot. You suck.
okay so you over clock your cpu to 4.7 and complain your gpu runs to hot, both dont have anythign to do with each other.

gpu at 80 ? that is an absolute normal operating temperature - i have a 560 ti cu2 and if i furmark it goes to 90 degrees plus

gpu and cpu do have temp switches. They shut off before thermal damage destroys the architecture.

Before framing the game or bioware responsible - like a little silly kid who has no clua about computers - how about you state what bluescreen you actualy get so people with a little more clue can nail down what your actual problem is ?

i suspect too high cpu clocking without raised voltage or to bad combination of cpu and ram clock - i expierienced bsod with those mistakes and an i5 2500k if there is actual load on the cpu

do you run stress tests after overclocking the cpu ? my best guess is you simply overclock and start to play, that might go well with some games but on others the load becomes too much and bsod (thats tbh 100% the problem there)
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IvamAkorahil
02.05.2012 , 04:45 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by korrokakita View Post
I can confirm it's also happening on this PC.
CPU to 64C+ GPU temp is 88C.

Something has to be done, I'm worried about the life of my components with this.
thats no overheating

the gpu average temp on full load is 90, cpu on full load can go up to 75 or 80

a gpu can go to 110 and more without shutdown, cpu 90 and more without shutdown

i personaly know from repairing cpus and gpus by baking them in the oven at 190 degrees that temperatures below 200 do never ever damage architecture

usualy voltage peaks or too high voltage is what breaks them
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IvamAkorahil
02.05.2012 , 04:51 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by CrispyC View Post
Run circles around?

Didn't you see that I mentioned by turning off VSync I run in the 90's and 100's (FPS) indoors?

Anyway, the point isn't the performance I was getting. The point is that this game unnecessarily stresses system components and since it's an addicting and time-consuming game, it can lead to damage.
mmos allways have more hardware hunger.

its considerably more stressing to diplay 50 mmo chars at the same time than runnign a bf3 with an all nifty dx 11 tesselation

tbh comparing swtor to bf3 in terms of performance is ridiculous
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IvamAkorahil
02.05.2012 , 04:53 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by CrispyC View Post
I'm well aware of the hazards of overclocking. I've been doing it for years and I chose my system components very carefully to accomodate as such.

My processor, for example, rarely goes over 35C when under full load in the games I mentioned.
none of the games you mentioned give even close on full load to your cpu

run prime95 and youll see that your cpu at 100% load on all cores will easily run to 65 degrees and upwards
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lollie
02.05.2012 , 04:54 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by IvamAkorahil View Post
mmos allways have more hardware hunger.

its considerably more stressing to diplay 50 mmo chars at the same time than runnign a bf3 with an all nifty dx 11 tesselation

tbh comparing swtor to bf3 in terms of performance is ridiculous
Don't whiteknight; compare it to the other MMOs and we still see SWTOR causes heating issues that they don't have. It's the inefficient buggy engine and subsequent buggy coding - our rigs could be used much better than this for same visuals.

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korrokakita
02.05.2012 , 04:56 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by IvamAkorahil View Post
thats no overheating

the gpu average temp on full load is 90, cpu on full load can go up to 75 or 80

a gpu can go to 110 and more without shutdown, cpu 90 and more without shutdown

i personaly know from repairing cpus and gpus by baking them in the oven at 190 degrees that temperatures below 200 do never ever damage architecture

usualy voltage peaks or too high voltage is what breaks them
Please read up before making these claims. Even a cursory Google search will tell you that >64C for an AMD FX-8120 is the "danger zone". Temp programs also come with that figure pre-programmed in them, for goodness sake.

As for the GPU? 90 is pretty damn high compared to how it runs on any other game. It's pretty high stress imo.

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IvamAkorahil
02.05.2012 , 04:57 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by lollie View Post
Don't whiteknight; compare it to the other MMOs and we still see SWTOR causes heating issues that they don't have. It's the inefficient buggy engine and subsequent buggy coding - our rigs could be used much better than this for same visuals.
why is everyone who actualy has a neutral opinion based onf acts labeled whiteknight?

wow is not up to par polygon wise at all - swtor runs awful because it has alot more polygons on chars and environment than most other mmos at dx 9

if it had dx 11 and tesselation that problem would probably be reduced but it remains a simple fact and not whiteknighting that only becase textures arent crysis doesnt mean the polygon count is the same of quake 2

and in the case of this thread its clearly the fault of the OP for not properly stress testign after OC
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IvamAkorahil
02.05.2012 , 04:58 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by korrokakita View Post
Please read up before making these claims. Even a cursory Google search will tell you that >64C for an AMD FX-8120 is the "danger zone". Temp programs also come with that figure pre-programmed in them, for goodness sake.

As for the GPU? 90 is pretty damn high compared to how it runs on any other game. It's pretty high stress imo.
if you would bother runnign a stress test like furmark on your gpu youd see its normal for high load.

90 is normal for fully loaded gpu without OC
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