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SWTOR Damaged My i7 2600K


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bliapis
02.05.2012 , 11:34 PM | #201
i find it hard to believe that SWTOR broke your CPU. There are a number of things to consider.

First, the CPU never maxes out under SWTOR, even on X-Fire/SLI. It remains at 50-60% with pretty frequent 40-50% loads. The CPU if anything, underloads.

The same stands for the GPU. When the FPS is good, you can tell that the GPU is performing at its max but when the FPS drop, the GPU is also underperforming.

In any case, whether the GPU peaks or not the CPU never does. Especially your powerfull 4.5k on the relativelly weak GTX460.


The CPUs overclocked that run to a high frequency, it is known that they lose potency after a while and need to pump more voltage to keep them stabilize. They just generate. The people who maintain long living overclocked CPUs are those with low temperatures, both ambient and on-chip. Usually air cooling wont sustain your CPU at healthy state for long and you should replace it with water cooling. I.e the corsair 80 model is quite good and delivers the package.


Either your system is corrupted or your CPU lost its overclocking edge (prime95 will tell you which core(s) fail at the test). Further twinking is needed.
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Kayla_Shadowsong
02.05.2012 , 11:44 PM | #202
ANY CPU should shut down your computer when it overheats, which makes it all but imposible for any application to damage it. Now you could set an overclock too high which adds strain on your system over time. I usually don't go past 4.2 on my i7 2600k, you don't need to, SWTOR uses like 20% cpu.

One thing you really have to watch out for on the newer graphics cards I have found is they run hot. Like 80-90c. Over heat on them is about 110c with occasional dips into the low 100's as fine according to the manufactures.

You should keep your CPU and motherboard components though under 60c for sure. If you're running a heater 30-40c hotter then they want to run there could be issues with an air cooled system.

The northbridge under your graphics card is usually the first thing affected which results in extreme system instability. The ram can also be an issue. It also puts added strain on an air cooled CPU, though it's usually far enough physically away it shouldn't be a huge issue with sufficient case air flow.

I really like the Asus Sabertooth P67 motherboard because the thermal guard with a fan on it really helps to keep the Northbridge and motherboard in general cool. Try running a temp monitor on your motherboard to see what's going on.

I'm a firm believer that if you're going to overclock use liquid. It lets you move the heat out of the case much more effectively and doesn't loose effect as much as the case ambient temps increase.

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Ka-tel
02.05.2012 , 11:45 PM | #203
Hey TS, maybe you shouldn't overclock your ****. I don't overclock and all my stuff runs fine.

As many have said, you're to blame not developers. ****.

First you herped. And then you derped.

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vacilios
02.05.2012 , 11:47 PM | #204
i got i5 2500k, amd 6870gpu, 4gb dd3 ram 1600 etc all new stuff bout 5 months "old"now

system is normal never overclocked except the default turbo mode tht uses by intel it self

after patch 1.1.1 sound started repeating in alderaan warzone, i got crash to desktops in hutbball and voidstar , while playing poof stuck, out to desktop etc.

sometimes it does it sometimes not,, fan cooler in gpu card... is really working overtime

im worried now and i hope a solution will come up , till then i monitor really closely my temps

and not planning to burn them while playing/paying for betas so ill be a spectator after second month fee finishes and see waht happens.

im a fan of mmos in general and is my favorite genre and im writing this with good intentions, but this problem is worry me. put some light in the dark!

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timbermax
02.05.2012 , 11:54 PM | #205
I have the same issue that the OP has indoors... When I have that issue, all I do is hit the windows key (tab out) then go right back in... doing that kinda fixes itself.

My 1st GPU hits 77-80c within the first few min of game play and will stay there until I exit the game. Never gets that high playing other games. I do know that theses cards can get much higher than that before it melts itself so Im not worried about my GPU temps.

I dont play as much because of several small issues such as the wonky fps bug.
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Delurm
02.05.2012 , 11:59 PM | #206
Honestly there is nothing the game can do to make your cpu melt - you should be able to run the cpu at 100% for weeks without overheating - if you are then you have poor cooling.

Get prime95 - run it as a stress test - typically you want this to run for 24 hours before you consider any build 'stable'.

This runs the cpu at 100% - the same as the *worst* condition that this game could ask.

There is no reason your cpu should overheat if it's running at 100%.

Do mind that you void the warranty on your cpu if you overclock it - or run with 3rd party cooling systems.

Oh yeah the other thing - call intel sales and ask if the warranty on the chips they sell covers 100% usage 24x7x365 for the entire warranty period - they'll tell you *of course - that's what they are designed to do!*

Unless you stuff a sock into your cooling vent.

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Illanair
02.06.2012 , 05:49 AM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by GorosGoW View Post
Incorrect.

Unless you clean your PC at least once a month by blowing it out, you killed your CPU fan by having graphics turned up above what your system can handle.

Also, if you didn't have VSYNC on, you did it yourself. VSYNC keeps your refresh rate to 50 or 60hz depending on your monitor's refresh rate, and keeps your card from pushing to 111fps or more, driving your card to overheat and your crappy OEM factory installed fan to death.

Just as an FYI for anyone with factory cooling - unless it's a $600 to $1000 graphics card, your cooling and fans are insufficient and will eventually fail because they are five-cent Chinese junk.

That is all.
Incorrect.

VSync doesn't change the refresh rate at all. It limits the > FPS < to what ever the current refresh rate is - to reduce "tearing" in the monitor display. Yes this also helps keep the card cool and quiet, but it does not touch the refresh rate at all.

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GorosGoW
02.06.2012 , 06:31 AM | #208
I can't believe I have to respond to this.

Please replace the word "Refresh Rate" with "Frame Rate" and I'll be correct. I mistyped. Sorry.

In reality, there is no reason to push your graphics card to 111fps (what I get with vsync off) since your monitor only refreshes at 50 or 60. Vsync locks your framerate close to the refresh rate - not just to smooth it out - but also because any framerate higher than your monitor refresh rate is wasted, as the monitor can't replicate it accurately.

Newer tech, like 120hz and 240hz refresh rates (if they are "true" refresh rates and not marketing speak) don't need vsync as the human eye cannot process refresh rates higher than 30-40 depending on the person.

In and of itself, if you don't believe...

WoW had an issue on the character select screen during WotLK where if someone left their computer idling for a period of time where GPU's would burn out. If the user didn't have VSYNC on, the framerates would push to 200+ and overheat the gpu, and kill it. Blizz had to do an emergency patch and recommended people enable their vsync until the issue was fixed.

The link I had saved for that article and blue post related to it don't work anymore as they wiped the forums for cata, but it happened.
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Leggomy
02.06.2012 , 06:39 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by GorosGoW View Post
WoW had an issue on the character select screen during WotLK where if someone left their computer idling for a period of time where GPU's would burn out. If the user didn't have VSYNC on, the framerates would puh to 200+ and overheat the gpu, and kill it. Blizz had to do an emergency patch and recommended people enable their vsync until the issue was fixed.

The link I had saved for that article and blue post related to it don't work anymore as they wiped the forums for cata, but it happened.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a game to burn up your GPU. If the GPU burned up its because you had insufficent cooling. The game can only push to GPU to 100%. If your GPU cannot run at 100% without melting your fan is not sufficient. I dont know why it keeps having to be repeated over and over in this thread for it to sink in. A game cannot burn up your hardware it is physically impossible.

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renegadeimp
02.06.2012 , 06:41 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a game to burn up your GPU. If the GPU burned up its because you had insufficent cooling. The game can only push to GPU to 100%. If your GPU cannot run at 100% without melting your fan is not sufficient. I dont know why it keeps having to be repeated over and over in this thread for it to sink in. A game cannot burn up your hardware it is physically impossible.
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