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is this the worst pvp in MMO history?

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is this the worst pvp in MMO history?

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Brutem
02.04.2012 , 03:59 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Loganthm View Post
id say the genre standard is pretty low.
sad but true

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HileyQuiggley
02.04.2012 , 03:59 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Kurfer View Post
Ins't this the same failure of a team that did WAR?

Also, saying WoW is silly...love or hate the game you have to admit they set the CURRENT standard for MMO pvp.

The original Mythic did not create WAR. So no, not the same. EA Mythic made WAR and now own DAoC also. The originals are now making Prime Battle for Dominus. Graphic wise its not for me but its a 3 faction PvP game coming out soon.

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voidsurvivor
02.04.2012 , 04:09 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by HileyQuiggley View Post
No, there are plenty worse.

WoW
WAR

Just a couple, out of the ones ive played anyway. AoC was better, DAoC is best but old.
WAR is so many times better than this game... 27 scenarios versus 3 warzones. Oh, and their rvr system actually worked. Kill trading condoned, 7 fps, armament gathering - you people must have really low standards to consider this game anything but a pvp failure.
Quote: Originally Posted by Mhak View Post
If I only ever played SWTOR and Neopets at release I would give a slight edge to SWTOR's pvp as well.

Very slight.

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Gankdalf_
02.04.2012 , 04:10 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by HileyQuiggley View Post
No, there are plenty worse.

WoW
WAR

Just a couple, out of the ones ive played anyway. AoC was better, DAoC is best but old.
Saying WOW is embarrasing, everyone, even the SWTOR fan boys knows WOW PvP set the standard, I may hate everything about wow but I can't knock the pvp, it was awesome.

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ShizuXIII
02.04.2012 , 04:10 PM | #15
Having to pick from the games I have played, yes. This is easily the worst.
But I didn't play disasters like WAR or Age of Conan.

Before this, I thought it couldn't go any worse than Aion, but seems like I was wrong.


Reason? This is the first time I'm having trouble to explain what's bad about pvp in a game, because here it's broken in every possible aspect of it.


The engine is utter garbage: see Ilum. Ten years ago (with the graphic standards of ten years ago, obviously) I was able to turn down the settings on DAoC and play with 200 people on screen. Here, well, I don't need to elaborate further.


Class balance. No need to explain, really. When the 75% of any random team consist of two classes, something's very wrong. And what's their first move on class balance? Nerfing one of the least played classes, wich accidentally happens to be the most played class' hard counter. If these are the premises, I cannot see any serious pvper sticking to this garbage for more than a couple months.


Open PvP. It's meaningless, it has no impact on the galaxy and it encourages lame tactics/exploits. Ilum doesn't really add anything to the pvp experience.

Faction balance. One word comes to mind here: total amateurs. No cap on faction population? Population cap on Ilum while not capping it 50/50 for the two factions? Are you kidding me?

Warzones. Finally something salvageable from this trainwreck. Two of the maps are actually interesting. A very dumbed down version of the GvG maps on Guild Wars. Teamplay is sort of important. Too bad the whole experience is a disaster for the reasons I mentioned above.
And the third map is...words are failing me to describe the huttball monstrosity.

Various bugs/annoyances wich could be expected from some 4th rate cheap ftp garbage.
Victories not registered.
Joining losing games already in progress.
Relog bug when entering warzones from the fleet, wich STILL happens.

And to complete this disastser tour, the whole CC system.


So yes, worst pvp for me.

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HileyQuiggley
02.04.2012 , 04:11 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by voidsurvivor View Post
WAR is so many times better than this game... 27 scenarios versus 3 warzones. Oh, and their rvr system actually worked. Kill trading condoned, 7 fps, armament gathering - you people must have really low standards to consider this game anything but a pvp failure.
This PvP is still really bad. I just didnt like those 2. WoW is a cartoon, I hated it for that reason alone.

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Agelmar
02.04.2012 , 04:16 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Gankdalf_ View Post
Saying WOW is embarrasing, everyone, even the SWTOR fan boys knows WOW PvP set the standard, I may hate everything about wow but I can't knock the pvp, it was awesome.
The standard?

Two MMOs have defined competitive PvP.

UO and Shadowbane. Every other MMO is a theme park PvE experience with PvP thrown in as an after thought.

I actually enjoy the fights and PvP in TOR, it needs some tweaking, variety, and a point... but it is NOWHERE near the worst ever.

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Kaluah
02.04.2012 , 04:17 PM | #18
Everyone says they HATE wow. I dont hate it, im just sick to death of it. But as they had all of WoW and alot of other mmos to learn from yet still came up with this peice of crap?? Yes its the worst pvp mmo if you consider the path already blazed before them.

Also add in the budget they had to work with and the amount of time they had to get it right... my opinion is its an utter failure, and im sure as they watch their server numbers dwindle they wished they had put a better team together and not just hoped to cash in on the Star Wars market.

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Tic-
02.04.2012 , 04:17 PM | #19
Allowing win trading, allowing "afking" in warzones, coupled with Ilum. It would rank pretty high on my list of worst ones for certain.

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Domiinick
02.04.2012 , 04:17 PM | #20
Uhm, no? This game is great, but the pvp does need some work.. as generally most new MMO's do.

You want an example of a game that had a decent system, but didn't even try to fix it like BW is doing? Warhammer.
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