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The loot mechanic of Operations is way off..


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Tenndou
02.04.2012 , 02:40 AM | #1
Today someone got 8 columni pieces after clearing karaggas palace and EV on normal mode.

How do you expect people to keep a raid together for farming gear on normal when some ppl are equipped after 2 runs and some dont have anything?

The geared people want to do hardmodes and the ungeared cant..

I can understand random mechanics and some being more lucky than others, but this is just too much - try convincing people that gain nothing to raid the same place for the X. time..

People should progress through the gear progression in roughly the same time given they spend the same effort otherwise u tear the operation groups apart.

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Lawli
02.04.2012 , 03:03 AM | #2
if they arent willing to assist their comrades to further their own progression you prob didnt need them in the long run. also the same gear can be gained from HM FP, and you shold run them to help get mroe gear so you can do HM OPs. really just need 3+ pieces of columni on everyone, maybe a bit less to start doign HM if you flask up.
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Tenndou
02.04.2012 , 05:16 AM | #3
The problem is not that we couldnt do HM gear wise, its that on republic side its extremly hard to recruit new players and alot of ppl in my guild quit because everything was too easy and the only thing left to do were daylies.

That leaves us with 6-7 ppl on raid days, we can clear everything on normal with that but its hard to keep ppl showing up for that if they get their full gear in 1 run.

In the end its probably our fault for not rolling empire side so we could recruit more easily

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D_Rock_
02.04.2012 , 05:34 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Lawli View Post
if they arent willing to assist their comrades to further their own progression you prob didnt need them in the long run. also the same gear can be gained from HM FP, and you shold run them to help get mroe gear so you can do HM OPs. really just need 3+ pieces of columni on everyone, maybe a bit less to start doign HM if you flask up.
i agree about the teamwork part, but I'm doing hard modes as well as operations with a set group for both and i can say after 3weeks of doing them.

Jk does not drop often as well as some other classes and so far the trooper teammate i have gets most of the drops, and him and his companion are decked out because that whats dropping even when he does not need them.

Only 2 of those runs in 3weeks dropped something for a different class its hard to see random in that.i think something is off in there random calculator for the big chest.If we talk about random and luck no one class should be lucky 90% of the time day by day where the unlucky can see a pattern before a ops/flashpoint and know who will get what 1st.

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Nessirin
02.04.2012 , 06:09 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenndou View Post
Today someone got 8 columni pieces after clearing karaggas palace and EV on normal mode.

How do you expect people to keep a raid together for farming gear on normal when some ppl are equipped after 2 runs and some dont have anything?

The geared people want to do hardmodes and the ungeared cant..

I can understand random mechanics and some being more lucky than others, but this is just too much - try convincing people that gain nothing to raid the same place for the X. time..

People should progress through the gear progression in roughly the same time given they spend the same effort otherwise u tear the operation groups apart.
Why are you farming gear on normal? Hard mode is a joke aside from soa's buggy ***. And it has better loot rules. Normal mode is for pugging, period.

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wifeaggro
02.04.2012 , 08:38 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Tenndou View Post
Today someone got 8 columni pieces after clearing karaggas palace and EV on normal mode.

How do you expect people to keep a raid together for farming gear on normal when some ppl are equipped after 2 runs and some dont have anything?

The geared people want to do hardmodes and the ungeared cant..

I can understand random mechanics and some being more lucky than others, but this is just too much - try convincing people that gain nothing to raid the same place for the X. time..

People should progress through the gear progression in roughly the same time given they spend the same effort otherwise u tear the operation groups apart.
I agree this is our second Time clearing normal. I am the MT we have one other jugg who is DPS and has pvp gear with PVE mods. He has won every single columi drop in two runs he has 6 trade ins he will not even use. BW end game is severely skewed in many area's , one of the most insanely broken mechanic is the easy aquisistion of PVP gear you can get a full set of t3 in a few days change a couple mods and it blows away columi that takes a few weeks for a PVE person to tier to.

The end game in TOR is not ready for consumption and they should make these gear imbalances a first priority with bugs and exploits.Normal mode auto assinging needs to go its not helping anyone including the solo player who pugs.
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wifeaggro
02.04.2012 , 08:44 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by D_Rock_ View Post
i agree about the teamwork part, but I'm doing hard modes as well as operations with a set group for both and i can say after 3weeks of doing them.

Jk does not drop often as well as some other classes and so far the trooper teammate i have gets most of the drops, and him and his companion are decked out because that whats dropping even when he does not need them.

Only 2 of those runs in 3weeks dropped something for a different class its hard to see random in that.i think something is off in there random calculator for the big chest.If we talk about random and luck no one class should be lucky 90% of the time day by day where the unlucky can see a pattern before a ops/flashpoint and know who will get what 1st.
this has been brought up several times i am a jugg have done over 30 to 40 HM FP's and i have columi boots. thats it. while every bounty hunter in guild has a full set as well as all of our companions. BW end game is pretty messed up right now and the silence on alot of these issues is pretty disheartening. If i were not a leader of my guild i would quit and go play rift its endgame is smooth fun and has challenge. I do realize this is par for the course with a launch MMO but rifts endgame at launch did not suffer from any of this imbalance. most comlained it was too hard and aquiring gear was very fair and balanced.
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Greaver
02.04.2012 , 09:01 AM | #8
Normal mode EV/KP is set to a random pre destined loot system so that pugs dont have loot ninja's.

Normal mode is for Pugs/Casual raiders

any QQ'n about it not gonna change it. Go run some Hard Mode Ops and get brought back to rolling on loot.
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Lord-Raze
02.04.2012 , 09:44 AM | #9
I have now Run roughly around 40 - 46 Hardmodes, and I havenīt even seen any Drops of columi gear for sith warrior, the only drops so far is agent/Bounty Hunter.. I find this extremely anoying and gamebreaking. why isenīt there equaly chance for loot to drop ?

Itīs serious demotivating to play when u know u wonīt get the gear u want and wth. 1 columi token pr. daily ?!!? and 3 for weekly when 1 piece costs 67 are u out of your freaking mind.. LOL thats 1― month grind pr. piece if u donīt get any drops like me

I just stick to gathering BM gear instead since my chance there is way higher.....
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wifeaggro
02.04.2012 , 11:15 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord-Raze View Post
I have now Run roughly around 40 - 46 Hardmodes, and I havenīt even seen any Drops of columi gear for sith warrior, the only drops so far is agent/Bounty Hunter.. I find this extremely anoying and gamebreaking. why isenīt there equaly chance for loot to drop ?

Itīs serious demotivating to play when u know u wonīt get the gear u want and wth. 1 columi token pr. daily ?!!? and 3 for weekly when 1 piece costs 67 are u out of your freaking mind.. LOL thats 1― month grind pr. piece if u donīt get any drops like me

I just stick to gathering BM gear instead since my chance there is way higher.....
our guild is expierincing this same thing. The BH and OP's are all geared and dont want to play anymore as the aqusistion was so easy and the Wars and sorc's wont play because we dont get gear. we all are in agreement that its time to move on for a few months and see if BW can fix this game. we are a smallish guild 20 daily players or so. Pretty disheartening none of us consider rerolling endgame activity. that is something to do months after your main is maxed. The end game is pretty blah at this point.
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