NOW = 1.7 Million Active Subscribers | 3 Months from now = Guess What

Outside of the epic patterns gained through raids or created from raid mats, there were no "useful" crafted items in WoW.

And TM/SS was fun, but was ultimately pointless. The people here complaining about pvp would be screaming bloody murder at the pvp system in early vanilla that had little rewards and zero method of character progression and consisted of a zerg fest in a low level zone.

Why do so many people use completely erroneous or carefully omitted "facts" about WoW to prove how bad SWTOR is? Even years after launch WoW continues to have glitches, bugs, exploits, poor balancing, and server issues. I guess they were also unable to learn from mistakes...

Can't believe I'm actually gonna defend that guy, but I think what he was trying to say was that at a bare minimum it's 300K that don't play anymore, and people who bought the game but haven't even started yet is a teensy tiny barely noticable percentage of that 300k+ group.


And if it is indeed anywhere near 85% that would be amazing.

Well, we'll find out how everything goes in a few months really. I'll be watching from the outside in, but I really wish you all luck with SWTOR and that it becomes just what you want. I also decided that I don't think I like sci fi mmo's, despite loving Star Wars. :P

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Here's one of the EU servers at the same time.


I'd say it looks pretty healthy, considering the time of day.

The thing is, we don't know what standard-heavy-full mean actually. Has BW ever told us what the caps are?

At the highest it is 85% but as shown the numbers are misleading and could be anywhere from 85% and below.

I will say having 2 million people want to play the game is something but alot of it has to do with other factor then the game itself. things like it is made by bioware and is star wars and is a new MMO and has been hyped for its budget and the years in the making.

Yes you are also correct in that alot of people want to stay around in the game. This is also because that many people are just totally displeased and fed up with WoW, they spent 60 bucks on it that its a star wars MMO.

You praise bioware for being a great company but you dont expect them to deliver a finished product? If this was a new company that has never developed a game before and had a budget of 10 million to make the game and had 6 months to do it then yes I would consider the game a success so far.

But its from a large company that has many years of experiance and many games already under their belt . These types of companies should have the knowledge skill and financial to not have 90% of the bugs and other issues that the game has.

I dont really know much about bioware and how many MMO's they have done if any but they have done games before and most of the issues are in design and not because its actually an MMO.

Its like if ferrari desided to start making trucks. Would you accept them calling their first truck a huge success because it had a better launch that the model-T. Would you accept small error that appear to be from a lack of detail. Would you accept it getting 1 mile per 12 gallons because they used an engine that from the looks of it doesnt actual work with the truck.

Would you expect that company to do test runs themselves to find errors and correct them before it was released to the public.

Would you be voicing you opinion if they came out and called their product a huge success while your sitting in a repair shop getting it fixed.

Thats why I am insulted that they have the balls to act like they have the perfect product and everyone is happy with it while it is clear that many are not.

I don't know how many subs are active now, but I can see how many active players logs in the game on the last weekend - about 1500-2500 per server. Well, there is about 215 servers, so we have about - 2500 x 215 = 537.5k active players on the weekend (peak of the activity!) in the most optimistic way.

I guess this game will have about 500k active subs untill ME3 release. And the subs will be decreasing. It really depends on the next patch on the march - how many subs will be canceled soon after the game with the same gameplay and the similar setting will be released. I think If the SWtOR still remain another good singleplaying game with some co-op features many people will not paying for that, but they will buy ME3 (like me ).

Too True, the asian/ oceanic area is a massive market and at this stage only populated by us hard cores. Once they actually offer a product...whoa it will be huge.

Gw2 kids are the best. They champion their game so hard in SWTOR threads, it makes me wonder if their half convincing themselves that the game will be as good as they want it to be. People never *********** learn. As for swtor its gonna be here for awhile, its gonna make EA and BW money and I can't wait to see where they take the game.

Make that two. Getting tired of endgame and feel like I'm losing my life to a game that I keep doing the same stuff over and over and over again.