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Why the Ecceles FP is Hard for me to Go Through

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Why the Ecceles FP is Hard for me to Go Through

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imperetor
02.06.2012 , 03:19 PM | #21
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........ In America.
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Turikan
02.06.2012 , 06:34 PM | #22
They missed an opportunity here I think. There should be something major that is affected by the choice, more than what it actually does. The fact that there is no actual downside to taking the lightside option (as implied by the ambassador) makes this choice seem silly when you know the outcome.

The dilemma here is supposed to be that taking the light side option and running around to disable the thingies spread out around the ship to spare the engineers could potentially get more people killed in the long run. The choice is supposed to be will you willingly sacrifice some innocent lives to save a majority, or will you take the higher path even if it means more risk. But it affects nothing. The only outcome is the trip takes an extra minute or two. They dropped the ball on the other choice as well. It feels like there is no reason to leave the ambassador behind because as a player you know when the flashpoint ends you're all going to be fine.

Just feels like missed opportunities to me. I mean, compare that to the Black Talon where the choice to spare or kill the captain has a direct effect on the story of the flashpoint.

I've always picked the darkside option in esseles. (for the record I don't just pick an alignment and stick to it. I make choices on a case by case basis. There really isn't anything on the vendors that is so important I would sacrifice my enjoyment of the story for.) Here's why: My character doesn't know that everything is going to be all puppies and rainbows either way. Having to sacrifice a few to save many is not something my character would enjoy but they see it as necessary to save as many lives as possible.

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imperetor
02.07.2012 , 10:18 AM | #23
Yeah, they could have implemented a bigger consequence for your action thing.
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Quiet
02.08.2012 , 04:18 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by imperetor View Post
My main thing I was trying to ask was, why do people choose dark so often? Granted we don't ever get these choices in rel life with Little or no consequence, so i can see hy people would want to expirament. Anyway, I guess i'm too good hearted for some things. -_-
From my experience...

I've ran the Esseles flashpoint 9 times, all pickup groups.
Jedi Consular Sage = 2
Jedi Knight Guardian = 2
Trooper Commando = 3
Smuggler Gunslinger =2

Out of those 9 runs, I saw darkside option being chosen on 3 runs with 1 run having two and two runs actually winning.

Breaking down numbers...
38 choices total for 9 runs.
33 chose lightside and 5 chose darkside (3 Jedi Knight + 2 Smuggler).
7 lightside won and 2 darkside won.

So from what I experienced, more people chose the lightside than the darkside.
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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VoidGlider
02.08.2012 , 04:50 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by _Flin_ View Post
I think choices like that add to the amount of evil in the world. And I believe that our thoughts form reality. Which is why the thought of 500.000 people making this decision makes me feel uneasy.

Up next:
Dear Sir, can I have back my Kitten?
1 - Yes. (100 light side)
2 - No. Kill the kiiten by ripping out it's teeth and letting it starve. Then torture the girl to death with the Kitten's teeth. (100 dark side points)

And this is why I do not play Empire. Its disgusting, and there are too many Sith in the real world already.
Can I just say that not all the empire is all that bad. I look at the empire like the Germans in the second world war. You had your Wermarkt (sp?), the everyday soldier. And then you had your SS, the true evil gits. The normal german soldier usualy did not like the SS but they had a job to do, just like the allied forces.

There are plenty of instances that you come accross this on the empire side. I look at classes in this game lsuch as the IA like the normal german soldier who has a job to do and does not do things for the sake of being evil. You can see this plenty of times when you interact with the normal empire soldiers dotted around the worlds.

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Mayol
02.08.2012 , 05:09 AM | #26
Dark side option is faster, which helps when you're doing speed runs of all 7 hard mode FPs. *** would you want

1) watch the cutscenes again after the first time
2) run around hitting buttons just so you get boyscout points
3) really care about a few engineers when, if you're taking it seriously, the whole ship could be blown apart at any moment and your life is in danger

If you sleep better at night knowing you own some light side pixels in a star wars game, that's great. I just like getting the FPs done without making them more difficult for myself.

Now, if it was an irreversible decision in Mass Effect 3, I would have an entirely different philosophy, and would probably cry and chew on my hat trying to decide what to do.

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dadamowsky
02.08.2012 , 05:19 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by VoidGlider View Post
Can I just say that not all the empire is all that bad. I look at the empire like the Germans in the second world war. You had your Wermarkt (sp?) [Wehrmacht - not be grammar, nomen omen, nazi but since you asked... , the everyday soldier. And then you had your SS, the true evil gits. The normal german soldier usualy did not like the SS but they had a job to do, just like the allied forces.
What people can barely realise - the so called "enemies" are just normal, everyday people, just from the different part of the world. They do not have more aggressive nature than you, the "good-guys", do... nor the less.

What makes us believe so, is warfare (politic) propaganda, system of beliefs, emotions and many other factors, encouraging own egocentrism to flourish and consider ourselves "the better ones". Not that it is something unsusal among history cards. I'd rather say that this tribal behaviour of "my tribe/group/country/nation/continent/whatever is better than yours" is the most basic instinct, which humanity still haven't grown up from yet. It's sad and natural at the same time, that we are not so far from the cavemans and first hominoidea, half-animal ancestors. We still use the same brains and its mechanics to perceive and reason.

Ok, smart-*** mode off
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VoidGlider
02.08.2012 , 10:18 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by dadamowsky View Post
What people can barely realise - the so called "enemies" are just normal, everyday people, just from the different part of the world. They do not have more aggressive nature than you, the "good-guys", do... nor the less.

What makes us believe so, is warfare (politic) propaganda, system of beliefs, emotions and many other factors, encouraging own egocentrism to flourish and consider ourselves "the better ones". Not that it is something unsusal among history cards. I'd rather say that this tribal behaviour of "my tribe/group/country/nation/continent/whatever is better than yours" is the most basic instinct, which humanity still haven't grown up from yet. It's sad and natural at the same time, that we are not so far from the cavemans and first hominoidea, half-animal ancestors. We still use the same brains and its mechanics to perceive and reason.

Ok, smart-*** mode off
No, be smart. I could not have said it better myself. All I am saying though is play Empire. They are not all evil as some make them out to be. Evil is on both sides.

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imperetor
02.09.2012 , 12:10 PM | #29
If you all remember in episode III, during a conversation between anakin and palpatine, the point was made that "evil is a point of view". This much is true. What may seem wrong to one person could be perfectly acceptable to someone else.
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