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Discouraged to raid due to the ease of it all.

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Discouraged to raid due to the ease of it all.

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Cloviscat
02.02.2012 , 12:58 PM | #11
I wish they would have utilized the difficulties better:

Normal- For the very casual, anyone can complete and enjoy the story (Tionese rewards)
Hard - OoH, a punch to the gut... learnable though (Columi)
Nightmare - Hell on earth for even the best of guilds... ungeared need not apply... (Rakata)

We one shot everything first attempts in Karagga's last night on nightmare... The Trash was more feared then the bosses...

And change the rewards from HM FP's to Tionese...

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Rotny
02.02.2012 , 01:00 PM | #12
Running reg raid to get gear to run hardmode raids was a meh in wotlk and is meh here too.
It's been said 9999 times and here's the 10000th.. designing a game to attract every type of gamer in an MMO makes for a watered down, easy mode MMO.
Wow got worse and worse as they tried to bring in as many people as possible to make as much $ as possible. Swtor has taken that business model and gone even further.

I don't think I'll ever have as much pride and affection for any characters in swtor like I did for my hand of a'dal priest in wow.
I'd agree things were a little too hardcore for me in wow. I spent way too much time raiding and just being online and my RL suffered, but aspects of that more hardcore MMO experience are seemingly absent here and I'm already looking forward to other MMOs.
When a bunch of more hardcore-ish raider types leave the game it will be even worse for the game will have a majority of casuals steering it into even more watered down MMO territory.

They just needed to slow down the leveling process and make getting to 50 just the first step. Once you're there, you embark on some epic quest line that takes you through multiple HM FPs, has you kill a couple world bosses and finally after turning in a quest item EV opens for you. It's not overwhelmingly hard, but as it is it's kind of a joke.
I realize I'm ranting. I'm pretty much done now, but I signed up on swtor.com back in 2008 and have been looking forward to it for ages and now that's it's here I'm extremely disappointed at how watered down it is. Just my $.02.

Goodluck!

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wifeaggro
02.02.2012 , 01:04 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Rotny View Post
So, by the time I got to 50 (I took my time) my guild had already zerged through all the 16 man ops including most hardmodes. When I got to 50 I posted on our forums that I was avail to fill a raid spot and I got into a weekly raid group no problem. When it came time to raid I was to be invited into a hardmode 16 man EV. After thinking about this for a while I just didn't show up on the scheduled raid day.
Why?
Because I shouldn't be able to turn 50 and enter hardmode raiding content the next day. There's little to no prep needed, no epic key quests to complete, no gear requirements and because my guild has been doing this for weeks, they'll want to zerg through it as fast as possible which will prob leave me with little time to look around and enjoy the instance.
Honeslty, this makes me not want to raid. I'm starting to hate this part of the game. The way they've made everything so easy. I don't want to turn 50 and get carried through raid content. I want to work for it and when I finally zone in for the first time experience that sense of wonder and accomplishment.
Anyone else feel this way?
They confused Casual as wanting stuff handed to them. keying up for zones having long questlines and gear req's are not hard core mechanics. they are mechanics that make people feel achievement and accomplished when they achive said goal. In the end Bioware has created a game that only apeals to rerollers in the hardcore community and hand outs to the Casuals. I am a casual player and a guild leader. we did our first normal mode EV run and it was an absoloute joke. we one shotted the whole place with no deaths and lvl 50's that had some green and blue gear. The tiering system is borked, the gear aquisition is a incredibly grindy and makes zero difference to the casual as they can raid in greens and blues and oranges. I just dont see the long term appeal of SWTOR though im having fun i do not feel any attachement to my main , the only reason im not back playing Rift right now is my guildmates.
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Minniyar
02.02.2012 , 01:10 PM | #14
By your line of thinking, if every kid in your neighborhood knew how to ride a bike by the time they were 7 and made it look easy, and talked about how easy it was, you'd be the one standing aside and saying, "Nah I'm not even going to bother learning how to do it, cause it's too easy."

Does that make any sense? No? Neither does your reasoning for not wanting to do dungeons.

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Trayne_
02.02.2012 , 01:10 PM | #15
Is this guy mad because he is in a PROGRESSION BASED GUILD and didn't level at the requirement set by his guild? Sounds like you are wanting to be put on someone's back.

Progression means moving forward in content not back. You will have to keep up with the pace set by your peers or be left behind because they aren't going to go back and do it for you.

Don't whine because this is something you can fix.

This is like complaining because you lost the remote to turn off the TV. Get your lazy butt off the couch and turn it off.

Won't miss you when you unsubscribe.


And if you want a challenge go do NM in T1 or less gear.
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Rotny
02.02.2012 , 01:30 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Trayne_ View Post
Is this guy mad because he is in a PROGRESSION BASED GUILD and didn't level at the requirement set by his guild? Sounds like you are wanting to be put on someone's back.

Progression means moving forward in content not back. You will have to keep up with the pace set by your peers or be left behind because they aren't going to go back and do it for you.

Don't whine because this is something you can fix.

This is like complaining because you lost the remote to turn off the TV. Get your lazy butt off the couch and turn it off.

Won't miss you when you unsubscribe.


And if you want a challenge go do NM in T1 or less gear.
We have no requirements level or otherwise. There are multiple OPs groups for reg, HM and NM OPs. That's not the point. The point is that any 50 in greens can complete raid content the day they turn 50 a mere month after starting at level 1. There's no challenge. HM and NM modes are largely irrelevant to my point. They are a cop out in raid content imo.
It's easy mode MMOing for 2012.

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Uncommonname
02.02.2012 , 01:40 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Rotny View Post
We have no requirements level or otherwise. There are multiple OPs groups for reg, HM and NM OPs. That's not the point. The point is that any 50 in greens can complete raid content the day they turn 50 a mere month after starting at level 1. There's no challenge. HM and NM modes are largely irrelevant to my point. They are a cop out in raid content imo.
It's easy mode MMOing for 2012.

You sir, just won the hyperbole award.

1) The reason YOU are able to even contemplate the above paragraph is because where your guild is at;

2) Someone in greens NORMALLY is going to have a tough time doing Normal - it is absolutely doable but not easy - the fact that they are getting people into raids as early as possible is a great thing. Artificial gear checks for raiding, are exactly that, artificial;

3) You discount HM and NM. Why? These are part of progression. Anyone who completes all Normal mode content and says they are finished raid content will be laughed at.

4) A significant majority, no one has numbers so I can only give personal observation, is not close to completing NM or even HM. The fact that a certain small percentage of guilds have done all of NM is a good thing, They pushed themselves through progression and get to call themselves elite guilds. The converse of this is that is is also a good thing that the same NMs will be beaten in a few weeks/months by a second tier of guilds. This type of content design is optimal.


(Also you sound quite ridiculous complaining about easy content when it is clear, and you yourself have admitted, that you are being carried through said content).

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Thoffs
02.02.2012 , 01:47 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by halfhourofpower View Post
Well, obviously you're being carried. You need to start a new group and get fresh fifties in if you want to experience real raiding, which is the countless wipes trying to figure out a kill.
This.

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jimmyquinella
02.02.2012 , 02:25 PM | #19
Bench player on the Yankees....

"Winning the World Series is way to easy, they need to make it harder"

Try playing on the Royals.


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Darcedge
02.02.2012 , 02:35 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmyquinella View Post
Bench player on the Yankees....

"Winning the World Series is way to easy, they need to make it harder"

Try playing on the Royals.



This....


Is the best comment of the thread, well played sir.
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