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Discouraged to raid due to the ease of it all.

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Discouraged to raid due to the ease of it all.

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Rotny
02.02.2012 , 11:53 AM | #1
So, by the time I got to 50 (I took my time) my guild had already zerged through all the 16 man ops including most hardmodes. When I got to 50 I posted on our forums that I was avail to fill a raid spot and I got into a weekly raid group no problem. When it came time to raid I was to be invited into a hardmode 16 man EV. After thinking about this for a while I just didn't show up on the scheduled raid day.
Why?
Because I shouldn't be able to turn 50 and enter hardmode raiding content the next day. There's little to no prep needed, no epic key quests to complete, no gear requirements and because my guild has been doing this for weeks, they'll want to zerg through it as fast as possible which will prob leave me with little time to look around and enjoy the instance.
Honeslty, this makes me not want to raid. I'm starting to hate this part of the game. The way they've made everything so easy. I don't want to turn 50 and get carried through raid content. I want to work for it and when I finally zone in for the first time experience that sense of wonder and accomplishment.
Anyone else feel this way?

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Accoro
02.02.2012 , 11:56 AM | #2
You should probably join a guild that doesn't zerg content? Or look for a guild who're just starting raiding and hardmodes. I'm sure there's bound to be an abundance of them on any server.

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halfhourofpower
02.02.2012 , 11:56 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Rotny View Post
So, by the time I got to 50 (I took my time) my guild had already zerged through all the 16 man ops including most hardmodes. When I got to 50 I posted on our forums that I was avail to fill a raid spot and I got into a weekly raid group no problem. When it came time to raid I was to be invited into a hardmode 16 man EV. After thinking about this for a while I just didn't show up on the scheduled raid day.
Why?
Because I shouldn't be able to turn 50 and enter hardmode raiding content the next day. There's little to no prep needed, no epic key quests to complete, no gear requirements and because my guild has been doing this for weeks, they'll want to zerg through it as fast as possible which will prob leave me with little time to look around and enjoy the instance.
Honeslty, this makes me not want to raid and hate this part of the game. I don't want to turn 50 and get carried through raid content. I want to work for it and when I finally zone in for the first time experience that sense of wonder and accomplishment.
Anyone else feel this way?
Well, obviously you're being carried. You need to start a new group and get fresh fifties in if you want to experience real raiding, which is the countless wipes trying to figure out a kill.
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Hydrium
02.02.2012 , 12:00 PM | #4
Content too easy? - They must be catering to casuals.

Content too hard? - Why is only 1% of the community allowed to see the content? Stop catering to the hardcore!

Finish content too fast? - Not enough content, you made it a joke!

Content takes too long to complete? - I don't have all my life to waste on raiding!




Everyone has different tastes, not everyone can be pleased.

It is 'literally' impossible for them to try and do so.

So they have to decide, which % of the playerbase do we wish to appeal to the most?

You apparently were not in the % they chose.

Sorry about your luck.
No one cares about your system specs.

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Rotny
02.02.2012 , 12:09 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by halfhourofpower View Post
Well, obviously you're being carried. You need to start a new group and get fresh fifties in if you want to experience real raiding, which is the countless wipes trying to figure out a kill.
Agreed, but that's not really the point. Why have people cleared the content a month after release, that alone is very very bad imo. We had 50s before early access ended. Cleared EV within days of the game official launch. There's no difficulty, no time sinks. It's completly un-epic. 3 months after the game launched the server should be talking about the first level 50 like some legendary thing. 6 months after launch the 1 guild with absolutely no lives would be standing around on fleet with crowds around them inspecting and oohing and ahhing at how epic they look and hoping to one day to be able to get a piece of raid gear too.
I know everyone's going to say no one wants to spend that much time in the game, everyone deserves to see the all the content, RL, etc etc. I agree, I just think people are clearing the content way too fast.
I want the epic back in my MMO. I'm sure there are many others who wish to go back to the epic MMO days of old where having purples meant something.
I'm a paying customer and I think SWTOR is too easy. This is my feedback to Bioware, I need more of a challenge or I will prob not play for too much longer.

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Accoro
02.02.2012 , 12:15 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Hydrium View Post
Content too easy? - They must be catering to casuals.

Content too hard? - Why is only 1% of the community allowed to see the content? Stop catering to the hardcore!

Finish content too fast? - Not enough content, you made it a joke!

Content takes too long to complete? - I don't have all my life to waste on raiding!



Want. To. Sig.

But yeh, form your own guild - set progression at your own pace. With a game in it's infant stages such as now, there is a vast untapped reservoir of capable players who are unguilded.

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yugotoobo
02.02.2012 , 12:28 PM | #7
I dont think it matters what color the gear you get is. As far as the end game content I havent made an alt yet simply becuase I havent had the need. I have been 50 for weeks now and I still have alot to do. Between pvp, ops, hm, daily stuff on ilum, and even some role play I think there is alot to keep most people happy until new content comes. I would agree that a few encounters in EV seemed like free loot machines. The actual encounters are fun though. Maybe not hard but between the mechanics and graphics I think there is evidence that bioware could take end game pve to a whole new level. So in my opinion to your post is just give it some time. The game is still evolving.

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Risingstars
02.02.2012 , 12:35 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Rotny View Post
Agreed, but that's not really the point. Why have people cleared the content a month after release, that alone is very very bad imo. We had 50s before early access ended. Cleared EV within days of the game official launch. There's no difficulty, no time sinks. It's completly un-epic. 3 months after the game launched the server should be talking about the first level 50 like some legendary thing. 6 months after launch the 1 guild with absolutely no lives would be standing around on fleet with crowds around them inspecting and oohing and ahhing at how epic they look and hoping to one day to be able to get a piece of raid gear too.
I know everyone's going to say no one wants to spend that much time in the game, everyone deserves to see the all the content, RL, etc etc. I agree, I just think people are clearing the content way too fast.
I want the epic back in my MMO. I'm sure there are many others who wish to go back to the epic MMO days of old where having purples meant something.
I'm a paying customer and I think SWTOR is too easy. This is my feedback to Bioware, I need more of a challenge or I will prob not play for too much longer.
You were going being carried by the rest of your guild who rushed to 50, just like the days my old guild carried a lot of people through BWL, AQ40, and even early part of Naxx40.
You shouldn't talk about how easy the fights are having not completed any raid content. Please come back after you killed Soa on Nightmare mode or getting both nightmare timed run titles and then talk about how easy the content is
Accessible gear is actually a good thing. In MMO you want to give ways for people to progress in other ways other than raiding.
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ppljuice
02.02.2012 , 12:41 PM | #9
Nightmare modes or go home.

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yugotoobo
02.02.2012 , 12:50 PM | #10
;LOL what am I talking about I agree Nightmare mode is something we havent even cleared... To easy? Then Challenge yourself and do the hard stuff in the game.......