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Bioware - please force Flashpoints to Analyze what classes enter them

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Bioware - please force Flashpoints to Analyze what classes enter them

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Kaehell
02.02.2012 , 10:59 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by daveytech View Post
What about simply having the end bosses drop several Columi commendations instead of a set piece? Maybe they could drop 4, and other bosses could drop 1.

I think that would be better and it would "fit" into how non HM comms already work.

As it stands right now, some folks get geared up extremely fast which can allow fast progression if that person is a tank or healer. Most other folks get the shaft though.

If commendations were used to buy Columi gear instead, it would allow a very static and clear path for progression.

Just throwing ideas around...
This is honestly the WORST solution evah.


Let me explain: if the final boss drops you 4 token, you won't do anymore the hardest istance, because they simply won't worth it anymore.

There will be a lot of people rushing Black Talon, and no one will make the False emperor, simply because it's too long and too hard, and you can get the columi chest by doing 5-6 times Black Talon.

Instead, as it is now, you will get the chest from FE, the Legs from D7, the gloves from BP, so you have to do every istance quite a few times to fully gear yourself, and it is right.

And don't complain about how the drops work in this game, is too easy to have a full columi set in this game. Yesterday I clean up ev normal in 2 hours with my guild with 4 guildmate that have just dinged 50.

And don't you remember when in molten core Horde used to drop Paladin's pieces and Ally used to drop Shaman's pieces?
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daveytech
02.02.2012 , 11:07 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaehell View Post
This is honestly the WORST solution evah.


Let me explain: if the final boss drops you 4 token, you won't do anymore the hardest istance, because they simply won't worth it anymore.

There will be a lot of people rushing Black Talon, and no one will make the False emperor, simply because it's too long and too hard, and you can get the columi chest by doing 5-6 times Black Talon.

Instead, as it is now, you will get the chest from FE, the Legs from D7, the gloves from BP, so you have to do every istance quite a few times to fully gear yourself, and it is right.

And don't complain about how the drops work in this game, is too easy to have a full columi set in this game. Yesterday I clean up ev normal in 2 hours with my guild with 4 guildmate that have just dinged 50.

And don't you remember when in molten core Horde used to drop Paladin's pieces and Ally used to drop Shaman's pieces?
Ok buddy. Points taken. I'm glad for you and your guild. My guild doesn't have enough people on after working hours to run the operations consistently. We are very, very casual, but we like the challenge of HM FP's in the evenings.

Obviously, HM FP difficulty would need to be taken into consideration when shelling out comms.

In fact, each boss fight should reward comms based on their perceived difficulty. That would make the system perfect. IMO.

My idea was a very general and broad idea. If BioWare even considers doing something like this, which I believe is unlikely, then they'd have the burden of figuring out all the fine details such as not allowing people to farm BT for the better pieces. (Even though you can only run it 1x per day! - Hmmm...)

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Kaehell
02.02.2012 , 11:23 AM | #13
point one: it's not fair that you can get a columi chest doing only BT for 5-6 days. This is an rpg, and if an item is dropped by the last boss of a determined flashpoint, you should have to kill him, not finding another way to have the same piece because "it's hard to reach". It's the challenge of the game.

point two: you can pug ev normal quite easily. I organized it yesterday evening, the 4 that just dinged wanted to go in HModes to get some gear. I and a buddy told them that ev normal drops better, we find almost instantly 2 random dpses at the fleet who never made ev normal too and cleared it quite easly. The point is: you can easily find 3-4 other people, you just need a couple of good person who already cleared it and know the strategies, and you should be able to clear that quite fast. Remember you're not the only one with a guild that can't do ev normal yet, some others are in the same situation
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Kaehell
02.02.2012 , 11:27 AM | #14
and btw if you're on Hex Droid send me a PM, we are casual player too and hardly make full guild run, we usually take 1-2 random people on the fleet

People I don't even know whisp me every evening asking for my evening plans when I'm online lol
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daveytech
02.02.2012 , 11:30 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaehell View Post
point one: it's not fair that you can get a columi chest doing only BT for 5-6 days. This is an rpg, and if an item is dropped by the last boss of a determined flashpoint, you should have to kill him, not finding another way to have the same piece because "it's hard to reach". It's the challenge of the game.

point two: you can pug ev normal quite easily. I organized it yesterday evening, the 4 that just dinged wanted to go in HModes to get some gear. I and a buddy told them that ev normal drops better, we find almost instantly 2 random dpses at the fleet who never made ev normal too and cleared it quite easly. The point is: you can easily find 3-4 other people, you just need a couple of good person who already cleared it and know the strategies, and you should be able to clear that quite fast. Remember you're not the only one with a guild that can't do ev normal yet, some others are in the same situation
Again, I'm not saying you should be able to get a Columi chest after 5 days of running BT.

What is it that you're after here? I have a guild of mostly Inquisitors and we've gotten 3 Columi pieces the past 3 weeks and they are split between 3 players, and we've been hitting Hard Mode FP's as much as possible. Meanwhile, our PT tank has 4 pieces (and 3 pieces for his DPS set - making that 7 total - and he's geared out his companions in Columi).

We're looking for an alternative.

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Pantheros
02.02.2012 , 11:36 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Venrale View Post
this is honestly the best solution, you can buy the gear you want and it makes you want to run the HM FPs more often.. the only thing I would add is still make the last boss drop a Colmi Item peice but make it non class specific so say you get the helmet token it takes 20 commendations and the token to purchase, this would make it so you cant just gear out super fast
I actually really like this idea.

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Kaehell
02.02.2012 , 11:39 AM | #17
with this one I agree with you, there're way too many inquisitors, and when you're lucky and the boss drops a Sith Inquisitor piece you find yourslef rolling with 2 other guys.
So I basically agree with the OP idea to make the boss drop for the classes that actually are inside the istance, but I don't actually think they will ever implement something like this.

Anyway really consider the fact to pug EV in normal mode, it's basically a free-loot-run if you can find 3-4 people on the fleet
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Kaehell
02.02.2012 , 11:42 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Venrale View Post
this is honestly the best solution, you can buy the gear you want and it makes you want to run the HM FPs more often.. the only thing I would add is still make the last boss drop a Colmi Item peice but make it non class specific so say you get the helmet token it takes 20 commendations and the token to purchase, this would make it so you cant just gear out super fast
Missed this post! This combined with daveytech's idea is brilliant. People still need to clear all the HModes to fully gear up, but at the same time the boss always drop an useful token. It's good even if you need to gear up friends
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daveytech
02.02.2012 , 12:08 PM | #19
We need to compile the ideas we've got.

I'm strapped on time right now, but it looks like most of us like these ideas.

So...

- HM FP's drop more Columi tokens (How many? Hard bosses drop more?)
- HM end bosses still drop a Columi piece
- You can purchase Columi items with a piece + comms (less comms required)
- (Are Columi pieces generalized? Like a helm = a helm for any class?)

What am I missing? I'm at work and "sneaking" on the forums.

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Kaehell
02.02.2012 , 12:10 PM | #20
we're missing a contact inside bw's offices that makes our ideas more than just some posts in this forum lol
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