Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

I don't really think that any but the first of the ones you mention are actually claiming the moral high gound.

the other groups are mostly just pointing out the hypocrisy in group 1's position.

I don't think your camps cover everything.

There's at least a 4th camp: be courteous to other people and don't insist that you get the loot just because it matches your priority. These are the people who are in favor of folks rolling need for mods/companions/appearance, but not in favor of people rolling need all the time. They're the ones that are fine with someone needing on an item that they want, even if it's an "upgrade".

That's not the same thing as "survival of the fittest" or "fend for yourself" ... though this camp is generally more ok with those people than the ones that say "you must have X reason to roll need on Y item"

I understand people wanting to skew things in their favor so they get the gear they want. Gear advancement is a primary motivation in MMOs, whether for aesthetics or stats. It drove adventure games in the 90s: I wouldn't have spent hours playing Diablo if I didn't want to constantly upgrade my gear.

The thing is, the system we're (folks like Ferroz and I) advocating here lets people roll as they wish, trusts people to know what their own needs are without imposing those needs on others, and lets people do what brings the most fun for them: work to reach their own goals. If those are aesthetics, then roll Need for those. If those are stats, then roll Need for those. If it's having an army of uber-geared companions, roll Need to reach that goal.

I roll Need if it's an aesthetic or statistical upgrade for myself or a companion.
I roll Greed if I'm going to sell it or reverse engineer it.
I pass if it doesn't meet either of those criteria.

That sounds perfectly sensible to me.

It might be more than 6 - I've seen at least 6.

And I've continued to read them even though I gave up on commenting. There hasn't been anything new stated in ... well .. at all.

That isn't exactly the definition of progress.

I think groups 2 and 3 are both starting from a "everyone has an equal right to get loot" point of view and working up from there (or not). They think that "equal right to the loot from the mob" is the high moral ground.
I'd agree. Except that I am pretty sure that Group 1 is OK with rolling for mods (not sure about enhancements though).

Because the survival of the fittest people have an equal chance at the dice as everyone else -- and if they really annoy you (and the loot drama from a group 1 player hasn't ended the group) you can start rolling need all the time and end up with fair distribution.

EDIT: Do you ever hear the group 2 people complaining about other people's rolls? Didn't think so. Loot drama comes from group 1 pretty much exclusively.

If something drops that my Character will use I roll need. If it is an item that I would like to put on my Companion I roll greed. I don't care what anyone else rolls and I congratulate the winner of the loot.

Untill that loot is in someone's bag, everyone makes their own choice as to what to do. The decisions made by the other players do not bother me. If I don't get the item I want then I just plan on running that FP again, or I look to the next FP for something even better.

Edit: The only time I remember being annoyed by a loot situation was when I was told that I was not allowed to roll on an item that would have been an upgrade for me because someone else wanted it. I had absolutely no issue with both of us rolling on it, but I did not like being "forced" to pass on something that was an upgrade for my main.

We're on the third continuation of this particular thread, who knows how many different threads that died out prior to that. I'm fine with it continuing: it provides a nice distraction while I'm doing research.

That is actually how I usually play as well. But I reserve the right to do otherwise, should I so choose.

If a Techstaff drops, all bets are off, I'm pressing need (for my companion Akaavi Spar). I haven't seen one of those in a long time.

Bad analogy. Companion items are very important to me too. I am NO different than you on this. I am constantly checking the auction house for WP gear for Kira and I need for my companions 100% of the time in groups as well when the other members pass or greed. The difference is, I try to think of the groups needs as well. If there is a Sage healing me and he already has the WP gloves that drop, I say "Everyone cool if I need for my companion since so and so passed?". Everyone says "Yeah, man go for it" and I need away. But, if the sage would have clicked the need button, I'd have passed and went on without giving it a second thought. I honestly don't care how much loot you got in this run. If you're a sage and all WP loot drops that run, I'll pass on every piece and congrat you for your good luck. Sure, Kira could have used every item, but I'd rather help out this sage that's going through the FP with me. Heck, there may be some heroic quests coming up and we may end up in a group again.



Keep using your backwards logic to make me the bad guy all you want, but not once in 7+ years have I been kicked from a group for needing for my main spec/main PC's attributes only. But, I've seen tons of people like you get booted from groups.

So, I'll keep playing my way and /ignoring people like you when and if the moment ever arises (again, everyone I've played with so far play like I do by default it seems). If a player thinks their companion deserves the tank item that dropped more than me after I just tanked the whole instance for that group, I will never group with that person again and I will make sure my entire guild knows about them. They may do it once, but once is the only chance they'll ever get.

[sarcasm]SJMC! Bad! Don't you know that means you'll never get replies to your whispers, can't get groups, and your server will tell the local PTA that you look at groundhogs with wanton lust?![ /sarcasm]

This is STILL going on?