Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

No, you're selfish and greedy because you expect people to give up their loot priorities in favor of your priorities while being totally unwilling to EVER give up your loot priorities for their loot priorities.

Since I'd be the shadow in that case... I'm ok with that. I had a chance to get the items that I want, and that's all I expect.

Yes, that's correct. You are, in fact, the greedy one. You are more concerned with getting what you want than with being fair, or caring what other people want.

From least selfish to most selfish

1. Guy who passes on everything
2. Guy who hits greed on everything
3. Guy who hits need on stuff for his own reasons and doesn't expect people to follow his reasons
4. Guy who hits need on everything, and doesn't expect people to follow his reasons
5. Guy who hits need on stuff for his own reasons, and insists that other people should roll in ways that follow by his reasons for wanting items rather than their own reasons for wanting items.

you're in category #5, even more selfish than the guy who needs on everything.

I'm going to echo what SJMC said right beneath you, Chumeniuk. At around level 30 the game spikes in comparative difficulty to 1-29. It doesn't mean it becomes "hard" (which is a relative concept to begin with), but its difficulty level rises. It does so again around 41-42. Don't get me started on how much I hated a couple of mobs on Voss...

This said, in a guild it isn't an issue at all. I've yet to encounter a single guild where you had someone who violently disagreed with the looting scheme. Guilds are designed around working together long-term, whether on RP, PvP or PvE. They take the long view (or their leadership should, in my opinion), and as a result, they arrange their looting in a fashion that's going to benefit their groups over the long term. The arguments the anti-companion crowd on these threads are making are very valid arguments if you were constantly running with the same people. The number crunchers are right in saying that everyone has more chance of getting what they want if they pass on things that aren't of an immediate benefit.

Our argument, we "companion rollers", is more oriented towards PUGs and the reality that you're going to spend more time adventuring on your own than you are with groups. In groups you don't need your companions. Alone, 1-50, you do. As a result, the companion looting argument is more germane to the leveling period than to the level cap.

At the level cap I don't have an ongoing need for companion upgrades. Once they reach an upgrade level that I personally feel is satisfactory for the daily quests and odd Heroic 2+, they don't need upgrading any longer, and any time I spend in an Operation is largely going to be to get gear for myself. Early on I might put some Operation gear on a companion as I'm fleshing out their level 50 gear, but as time goes on it becomes less and less of a need for me.

And it won't become a need again til they release more difficult level 50 dailies, or they increase the level cap.

But prior to that, if I see an upgrade for myself or a companion, I'm going to roll Need on it.

Should or should not is not really important at this point... it does.

I don't agree that the player can actually make better use of it. He can equip it. So can Nadia. So can I for that matter.

People claiming they need for their companions are trolling you. It just doesn't happen. I'll admit it may happen, once in a blue moon on some server I never play on. It just doesn't happen as much as the trolls keep posting they do it.


Just understand... people here are trolling you to make you mad. They make outrageous claims to get a reaction from you. This whole needing for companions thing isn't even a problem, as just about nobody does it.

Unbelievable..

Companions are only a useful part of your character when you are questing solo, even then upgrading their gear to match a player at that level provides marginal benefit since they do not have the full abilities of an actual player. They have zero contribution end-game.

By that logic, even if I don't need the item on my character, I should be rolling need, because I can vendor the item and use that money towards buying something from the AH which will help my character.

I would prefer that the Imperial side on my PVP server not allow people to upgrade their companions, so that when I meet them in the field their companions will be quickly defeated by mine. I've won most battles where my companion defeats the other one and lost most where my companion is the one to die first.

Was it the 2 silvers in that one the multistage bonus quest? The ones that appear out of nowhere when you click on the thingy, and one heals and the other just dps's like mad?

Yeah, Tharan was really under geared for that the first time I tried it...

No, gearing Tharan up seems to have made a significant difference in his ability to heal both himself and me.

EDIT: It also significantly increases his survivability, so he doesn't die so much from standing in the fire before I can convince him to move. Sometimes I really wish companions had a "you're standing in the fire, move" button.

No, at the end game (level 50) I'm still using my companions.

If you want to do that, I'm not going to complain about it.

I mean, it's not being as selfish as the guy who insists that other people not roll because he's decided that he owns the loot that dropped without rolling for it...

If I am teaming up with someone, I usually hit pass if the other person hits need. IF someone is helping me with a quest because I have had it(cough cough Lightspring) I will pass on everything if I do not need it, because the person came in to help me. I usually do instances with people I know IRL, so we all are at an understanding that we will help each other out and will pass for other people. We do have a friend that hits Need even when he doesn't need it so we don't actually play with him anymore. Greedy bastards get a reputation quick and soon discover that no one wants to put up with it

It does actually.

You really aren't being trolled; you're just seeing people who don't have the same sort of entitlement about gear that you do.