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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Revenaught
02.03.2012 , 10:21 PM | #461
Quote: Originally Posted by wolveroach View Post
Man you are so wrong, I want to write a math paper and make it a proof.



Your kind of help means you and your SEVEN companions are rolling against twenty four other characters and companions (assuming a simple FP) should they play by your rules, the loot goes to the best random roll of a computer and the gear lands where ever trusting the decision of the fickle computer and chance gods. Any gear that ends up on a companion is effectively relagated to open world PvE and PvP.

By my rules, the four HUMANS get first dibs on their class items, after that it is a crap shoot. Those four characters will end up better geared and more effective in future group activities.

I don't care about your companions, but I do care if your character has the gear to survive. Higher number of characters with better gear is better for the server and for me and all the PUGs I join.
Thank you for proving the inate selfishness of allowing main character looting only. Its all about limiting us to only looting in ways that You feel will assist you better in the future. I'm glad one of you has finally come out and admit it.
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Revenaught
02.03.2012 , 10:30 PM | #462
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
Glad we understand each other.

1) you are obviously not a team player and care more about your own numbers than the total of any group you join into. I call typical WoW rogue behavior.

2) Even if my companion can use it, if another player gets the benefit it will help them, the server, myself possibly in future, and makes the server a more geared happier place.

Sorry, but that's the way it is. Don't group with me, cause I don't WANT to group with someone of your selfish mindset.
Oh God! Stop It! The hypocrisy flooding from your post is killin me! I haven't laughed that hard in years!

Calling others selfish when you are trying to limit what they can and can't roll on just so you have a better chance at your prefered loot is awesome!
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crica
02.03.2012 , 11:39 PM | #463
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
I am going to sook and moan because I didn't get what I want when I wanted it because I decided I am more important that the whole.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what you came here to do - sook and moan because you decided you are more important then the whole group - you decided you are in charge and everyone can only loot the items YOU want them to loot, not the items they actually WANT to loot - and someone here said heck no, they are not going to help you do that, and that if you want ppl to help you that you actually have to help them in return.

too bad, so sad.

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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 03:31 AM | #464
Quote: Originally Posted by Symbonis View Post
If you are in a group show some common courtesy and let actual players gear before an ineffectual npc.
There are no "actual players" in the group. This is not Tron. I would drop any group that had "actual players" in it and then unplug my computer from the network, because I do not want to become Tron.

In any case, perhaps your companion is ineffectual because you don't ever get him gear. Put gear on a companion and they become more effectual.

Companions are not NPCs. Companions are controlled by the player, which makes them the opposite of an NPC.

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face_hindu
02.04.2012 , 03:35 AM | #465
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
There are no "actual players" in the group. This is not Tron. I would drop any group that had "actual players" in it and then unplug my computer from the network, because I do not want to become Tron.

In any case, perhaps your companion is ineffectual because you don't ever get him gear. Put gear on a companion and they become more effectual.

Companions are not NPCs. Companions are controlled by the player, which makes them the opposite of an NPC.

Companions are novelty pets whose limited combat usefulness evaporates at 50. The same cannot be said for someone's character.

I would say a word about your character, but you've already said everything that needs to be said
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face_hindu
02.04.2012 , 03:38 AM | #466
Quote: Originally Posted by Revenaught View Post
Oh God! Stop It! The hypocrisy flooding from your post is killin me! I haven't laughed that hard in years!

Calling others selfish when you are trying to limit what they can and can't roll on just so you have a better chance at your prefered loot is awesome!
This is the funniest of the posts. Some people just don't get it, hey?
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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 03:39 AM | #467
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Companions are novelty pets whose limited combat usefulness evaporates at 50. The same cannot be said for someone's character.
If they are not useful after 50, then there would be no need to gear them once you are 50 (and therefore no need to roll need for their gear) Prior 50, lots of people find them to be very useful.

Just to be clear, I do not require that you gear up your companion. If you don't want to gear up your companion, that is your decision. It is your decision if you don't want to use your companion at all. I am not requiring you to find your companion useful.

EDIT: Other people on this thread have stated that they use their companions when they are 50, for at least some activities, so your first statement is actually incorrect for many people.

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face_hindu
02.04.2012 , 03:46 AM | #468
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
If they are not useful after 50, then there would be no need to gear them once you are 50 (and therefore no need to roll need for their gear) Prior 50, lots of people find them to be very useful.
Well, I mostly PvP and do flashpoints and heroics to level, and when I am questing, usually my comps are crafting. I use my companions in combat maybe 10% of the time. I'd rather gear myself or a groupmate than my companion or anyone else's. But I don't suck at the game, so maybe that's why I think companions are a novelty?

I could see you "needing" to gear your companion if you're having trouble winning, and need a little help from your pet.
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sjmc
02.04.2012 , 03:56 AM | #469
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Well, I mostly PvP and do flashpoints and heroics to level, and when I am questing, usually my comps are crafting. I use my companions in combat maybe 10% of the time.
My companion is at my side for probably 80% of the game, except when I am doing warzones or the occasional heroic/flashpoint group. I PVP with my companion often -- as do the enemies that I meet. If I have a gimped companion, she will die to the other companion and then it will be 2-1 on me. EDIT: Most of my companions craft most of the time. Only one of my companion needs gear.

Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
. I'd rather gear myself or a groupmate than my companion or anyone else's.
You are welcome to do whatever you want with any item that you win the roll on. You are also welcome to pass or not on items that you don't have a use for. I am not going to judge your choices.
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But I don't suck at the game, so maybe that's why I think companions are a novelty?
If you are awesome and don't need the help of your companion, that is wonderful for you. However, player skill is not one of things that should affect whether you deserve to roll on an item.
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I could see you "needing" to gear your companion if you're having trouble winning, and need a little help from your pet.
Exactly. Especially if my gear is fine and doesn't need an upgrade.

EDIT: If you group most of the time, it is reasonable that you would have an objective of increasing the "group potential" of players on the server so that they will be helpful to you in future groups. If you don't group all the time, this objective becomes less important. If am not planning to group, increasing my group abilities won't matter. However, if there is group loot to be distributed, then I did just group and deserve part of the group loot. The question appears to be whether I get to choose which loot I will roll on or have it assigned to me based on someone else's priorities.

EDIT AGAIN: If the grouping content required that you have "group-level" gear from previous flashpoints, then there might be a basis for requiring the group loot go towards improving group performance. I don't see that here. Many people will go from the current flashpoint and solo for a few levels before doing the next flashpoint.

Am I missing some sort of group-gear progression system pre-50? If there is one that I haven't encountered, then for some group content "restrictive NBG" might be appropriate, but I haven't seen anyone on this (or previous) threads suggesting that.

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Setanian
02.04.2012 , 04:41 AM | #470
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Companions are novelty pets whose limited combat usefulness evaporates at 50. The same cannot be said for someone's character.

I would say a word about your character, but you've already said everything that needs to be said
Well, if that is the case, and I haven't seen any proof of it, it would mean no-one needs their pets at 50 and they can be removed?

But, what about players getting from 1-50? Judging by your post you would agree they are indeed useful at that stage?
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