Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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VanorDM

02.02.2012 , 12:42 PM \| #141	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Striker_KOJ Or it is an upgrade to their orange item that doesn't have mods currently slotted in it that give greater stats than the blue item? We are talking about stuff you can buy at a vendor for commendations after all. Do you really think it's fair to take something away from me, that I will find useful because you don't want to bother buying some gear from a vendor?

daemian

02.02.2012 , 12:45 PM \| #142	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan The only thing I have seen proven beyond a doubt is that your way is a giant step backward in logic from my way. As certain as you are that your way is more fair (I really, really doubt you feel this way, as I said), I am twice as certain my way is the more fair. The current roll system is as fair as it gets. It's an impartial roll of the dice. Changing the rules to favor one group's way of thinking is less fair.
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VanorDM

02.02.2012 , 12:45 PM \| #143	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz No, there were times when a blue was better itemized for me than an orange would have been. I don't see how, since with orange items you have complete control over the stats on the item. Quote: where the commendation mods/enhancements lack tank stats All my mods are Guardian mods, which favor End over Str, and my enhancements have +def. Edit: That said... the idea still stands, that you have people rolling need on an item that might not actually be an upgrade for them, simply because it matches up to their class. If you don't have an orange item in that slot, or can't find mods for it, then clearly that is a different situation then one where you have a orange item with upto date mods.

Eldren

02.02.2012 , 12:47 PM \| #144	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by seekerofpower Seriously, this issue comes down to one thing: don't be an ***-hat. If the item is designed for someone else in the party, don't roll need on it. Then, when something for you comes up, they will give you the same respect. How is it people don't get this. If you roll need on something that isn't made for your character, it is an upgrade for the person it is designed for and I am the group leader, I will kick you. No questions asked. If it works on my companion, it's made for "my character", since my companion is an extension of my character. As a result, I'm going to roll Need on anything that's an upgrade for one of my companions.
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Setanian

02.02.2012 , 12:50 PM \| #145	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Irusan The only thing I have seen proven beyond a doubt is that your way is a giant step backward in logic from my way. As certain as you are that your way is more fair (I really, really doubt you feel this way, as I said), I am twice as certain my way is the more fair. I do feel this way? Are you now going to tell me how I feel as well as tell me how I should loot? Explain to me why my way is not as fair as yours?
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Setanian

02.02.2012 , 12:52 PM \| #146	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM We are talking about stuff you can buy at a vendor for commendations after all. Do you really think it's fair to take something away from me, that I will find useful because you don't want to bother buying some gear from a vendor? no-one is taking anything away from you? Did you win the item? No, then try again. Don't dare say because you lost the roll, the winner took it from you. It is not yours unless you win it.
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Striker_KOJ

02.02.2012 , 12:53 PM \| #147	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM We are talking about stuff you can buy at a vendor for commendations after all. Do you really think it's fair to take something away from me, that I will find useful because you don't want to bother buying some gear from a vendor? Excuse me? Why can't you grind commendations? Why do you deserve this item RIGHT NOW, just because I can complete several quests and eventually have my item on par with yours. You can't buy mods from the vendor? You can only get loot from the flashpoint? The item is only useful to you, even if it is an upgrade to me, RIGHT NOW, just like it would be to you? What if I don't have the commendations to purchase the mods? That's my fault, and you deserve the gear because...? Again, why are you more important than me? Because you say so?
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VanorDM

02.02.2012 , 12:53 PM \| #148	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by seekerofpower If you roll need on something that isn't made for your character, it is an upgrade for the person it is designed for... And if someone rolls need on an item that is designed for their class, but it is not an upgrade?

racsofp

02.02.2012 , 12:54 PM \| #149	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix I'll say this and be done with this conversation forever. I think we all can agree that the absolute best solution for either party here is to pre-establish loot rules before any runs begin. No one will ever state that the loot rolls weren't fair either way if the rules are completely agreed upon by all 4 participants before you enter. If you don't like the loot rules that are decided (ie the other three agree but you do not), drop group and find another. /thread Agree 95%. People will still state things were unfair for some reason, but they won't have any legit complaint now.
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Calsidian

02.02.2012 , 12:54 PM \| #150	Quote
What is the point of a thread like this? It's not going to actually have any affect on player behavior in the game. Even if everyone on this forum magically decided on the same honor system for loot rolls, that is still only a very small portion of the total playerbase. Until there is a system in place within the game that restricts who can roll on what, everytime you decide to PUG you run the risk of getting an item ninjad. Don't PUG if you don't want this to happen.
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