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Why did Yoda and Obiwan hide?

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Why did Yoda and Obiwan hide?

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Synti
02.02.2012 , 07:56 AM | #1
There is something that has always perplexed me, at least ever since I saw episode iii in the movie theater; why did Yoda and Obi-Wan go into hiding for ~20 years? I understand that they desired to protect Anakin's children but certainly that could have been done by others, like Senator Organa, who in fact raised Leia.

It seems silly to me that the two, who by a large degree formed an extremely potent force together, could not as such unite and try and undermine, and eventually, destroy Vader and the Emperor. Instead they left it to Luke and Leia, who by definition would be inferior to the two of them.

At least seems pretty peculiar to me.

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FalmeseReb
02.02.2012 , 08:04 AM | #2
They didnt just go into hiding. They both went off to kill the emperor and vader. They failed, why make a 2nd attempt when you have only gotten weaker and they have only gotten stronger. I imagine they would be pretty demoralized after seeing their entire order destroyed along with everything they had ever known.
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earlallison
02.02.2012 , 08:26 AM | #3
IITS – It’s In The Script. We saw where they ended up in A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. Revenge of the Sith decided to show us them headed there, for whatever reason.

Why would Obi-Wan and Yoda be THAT demoralized? Kenobi nearly killed Vader with his attack. There is no reason to assume that, with Yoda and Kenobi working together, they couldn’t manage to kill the Emperor and/or Vader.

Yoda came close to stopping Palpatine on his own, and Obi-Wan was clearly the victor over Anakin/Vader. Together, they could very possibly have won.

Now, as for the hearts and minds of the public, already swayed into thinking the Jedi were traitors, it would have been problematic. That is to say, they could win the battle but possibly not the war, and plunge the galaxy into another civil war as a consequence.

Now, had the characters SAID something to this effect, that a pure victory was unlikely in the here and now, that it could have done more harm than good overall after what had already happened, and it would have made more sense. Throw in a comment about a Force Vision, and you have something.

As the movies stand by themselves, it does look like Yoda and Obi-Wan give up, split up the kids in the worst possible way (Leia lives in luxury with the Organas, and Luke not only keeps his father’s name, making him easy to potentially find, but they leave him ON HIS FATHER”S HOMEWORLD!), and just hope things will eventually work out somehow.

I know that the books, and some of the games (The Force Unleashed) try to address some of this, but going solely by the films, the idea only works because Vader and Palpatine are even stupider than Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Bail Organa (who agreed to their awful, awful plan).

Take it and run

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Synti
02.02.2012 , 08:28 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by FalmeseReb View Post
They didnt just go into hiding. They both went off to kill the emperor and vader. They failed, why make a 2nd attempt when you have only gotten weaker and they have only gotten stronger. I imagine they would be pretty demoralized after seeing their entire order destroyed along with everything they had ever known.
Not entirely true. Yoda failed to kill the emperor yes, but Obi-wan successfully beat Vader. The only reason Vader survived was because Obi-wan wasn't thorough enough. Besides, their mistake was to divide their forces. They could have banded together and neither Vader or Palpatine could have survived them.

So in essence, they kinda quite too soon. Besides, what was the alternative to try again, hide for two decades and hope a young acolyte would do better than they did? Pretty wacky thinking.

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ceciltaru
02.02.2012 , 09:17 AM | #5
They don't really give up. What Yoda says on the Tantive IV is they need to split up and find a way to defeat Vader and the Emperor. There may be some doubt in Yoda yes, and because doubt can lead to the dark side, Yoda may believe that by splitting up, if he does fall, he won't take Obi-wan with him. Plus with all these Order 66 clones after them, splitting up would mean that they wouldn't get caught together -- it works in Scooby Doo anyway.

They say that if Vader knew that luke and Leia lived, they could help or destroy him. That all hinges on if either/both twins are gifted with the Force.

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SpikeRosered
02.02.2012 , 09:21 AM | #6
I think the fact that they hid goes against both of their forward thinking characters.

The best time to strike was right now! I don't care if they failed once...try again! What are you going to wait until the Emperor's power is secured and he's able to amass even MORE political power.

Though lets not forget who he easily convinced 1 bagilliion Senators that fascism is the way to go!

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Greyhamea
02.02.2012 , 09:21 AM | #7
I'm more inclined tot hinkt hat of Obi-wan and Yoda had taken on Sidious, Obi-wan would have been killed and Yoda would still be in hiding.

Sidious did take out most of the Jedi Mace brought with him and seemed to come out of his battle with Yoda in a much better position that Yoda did.

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Assumption
02.02.2012 , 09:47 AM | #8
It's not just the Emperor and Vader they have to be stronger than to win. It's the entire republic army, which as you see with Order 66, can take out a hell of a lot of Jedi. They split up and went for Vader and Palpatine because they still had the element of surprise. They didn't kill either, and there was not yet a rebellion to back them up if they tried again.

This is more speculation/opinion on my part, but there's also a parallel in their hiding. The Sith (Bane through Sidious) had an entire galactic regime (the Republic) opposed to them, so they hid, in small numbers, biding their time and waiting for the right moment to strike. To beat the Emperor and his forces, the Jedi do the same, though much quicker.

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Eternalnight
02.02.2012 , 09:56 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by earlallison View Post
Kenobi nearly killed Vader with his attack. There is no reason to assume that, with Yoda and Kenobi working together, they couldn’t manage to kill the Emperor and/or Vader.

Yoda came close to stopping Palpatine on his own, and Obi-Wan was clearly the victor over Anakin/Vader. Together, they could very possibly have won.
They had a better plan. Take a 20 year old man who does not even know what force is, train him for a one week or so (even though Jedi are supposed to start training as infants) and let him go alone to do the job on their behalf.

Makes sense.

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Propecius
02.02.2012 , 10:14 AM | #10
As much as I agree that it doesn't make sense, the "real" answer in GL's head is probably that Yoda could see the various futures their actions could create, and knew the "right" one (which just happened to lead them into episodes IV-VI). And probably something about how it had to unfold that way to "bring balance to the Force."

There was another thread on what bringing balance to the Force meant. I always suspected it was Vader's turning back to the light side by killing Sidious that caused the balance to be returned, but that we never got to see the results for the Force. Maybe its power was going to increase again in episodes VII-IX (which GL now says he never really planned to do, but we know back in the day he said he would).