Pvp gear nerfs are you freaking kidding?!

Its happened in other MMOs as well and will be happening again later this year in a game that will absolutely crush this game.

So much crying going on in these forums. OMG i spent so much "time" getting gear to make it seem like I had skills in pvp when I actually had none, That gear made me feel like I was a good pvper when I really wasn't.

While all the good pvpers are actually fine with the whole deal. Competition is what keeps the good pvpers around, this brings more competition to a game that needs a lot less grinding and more real pvp.

LOL you cant stack up on champ bags for when you hit 50, i recently got one of my alt's to 50.I pvp'd from 45-50 and i thought you could also, well turns out you can only buy one champ bag at a time, so your logic is flawed

This is a bad thread. Everyone actually agrees on the premise. The question is "how much of an advantage should you gain from PvP" gear.

In my opinion Battlemasters should be 17.5% ahead of PvE groupers and 12.5% ahead of raiders in PvP. Battlemasters should be 12.5% behind raiders in Raids. Casual PvE should be 17.5% behind raiders in Raids.

What would be cool in a PvP MMO would be to kind of instance player progression similar to leveling, where valor ranks would allow you access to new planets and higher level gear that you had to work for and open pvp areas where you needed to have a certain valor rank to attain. THe catch is that one you got to that point there was no going back. You couldn't get to a War Hero zone and take the gear back and camp people on Ilum as an example.

And everything in that zone would be harder including NPCs, etc.

I love the idea of characters becoming more powerful. That is what everyone wants. Not to lord it over players who don't have it. Just to give the battles a more epic feel.

i don't agree, because expertise makes horrible pvp'ers feel like there god because they have the better gear, take expertise out because the gear is still pretty good without having expertise.Or make a que for expertise only, this would also help the newly leveled 50s

Wow, you are either reallys stupid or just another bottomfeeder who thinks this will make him a great PVP-er.

The thing is, this will not fix anything. Elite PVP-ers will still beat the snot out of scrubs. The only frustrating thing here is that every FOTM-er will have it easier when he hits 50 since PVP is more about class than gear and skill.

But I'm not surprised at all, I think bioware's pvp team is either an experiment where they make monkeys manage PVP, or it's still Mythic calling the shots, which is worse.

Then you would be in favor of removing expertise and making battlemaster gear equal to pve gear in all other respects? I would find that to be an excellent solution. Skilled players could excel in whichever venue they wish or both.

That still wouldn't address the issue of gear disparity between new 50's and fully geared players, which seems to be where most of the issue seems to lie. The most reasonable solution, to me, would be to add more crafting options to allow players to get a decent set of gear/mods to ease the transition. At this point it is brutal to go as a fresh 50 in greens, blues and oranges into most WZs.

I am posting this next part just to give a little background and show that I am attempting to avoid bias. I leveled my PT doing probably close to an even split between pve and pvp, so was valor rank 49 when I hit 50 right after they made the 50 bracket. I hit Battlemaster last week. I went through everything many of the poster on this thread are saying. I got beat down as a lvl 10 vs 50s, took more beatings as a fresh 50 vs geared 50s, and now that I have a few pieces of BM and the rest champion(-one orange chest, damn rng) I am competitive vs well geared players and those fresh 50s are getting rolled. I have been on both sides of the fence.

Your posts come off as more than a little biased toward pvpers with a good dose of chest thumping ego thrown in. Stating how your skills allow you to outplay your opponents even though you have pve gear, maybe so maybe not, don't know you, can't say, all I can say is raid lvl pve gear is superior to pvp gear in some respects, and most min-maxers are running top lvl raid gear(or pulling the mods) once they reach around 450-500 expertise. My point being, if you have a constructive idea as to what needs to change or what are the underlying issues to gear imbalance and possible fixes then please by all means state them. I have heard from you is that you are a pve centric who really doesn't pvp much, hates nerfs to pve due to pvp and is more than happy to see nerfs to pvp in order to make pvp players unhappy. For someone who has listed all these things they have done in life you come across as petty and bitter.

Look - Nerfs suck, plain and simple. However, all you people need to stop throwing this around. Beating up on level 10-15's prior to the split of brackets was NOT hard work. Get over it.

What happened to good players will be good and bad players will be bad? did that only apply to when bad players complained?