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1.1.2 PvP bag changes.

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1.1.2 PvP bag changes.
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Gnombane
02.02.2012 , 11:06 AM | #131
Let me see if i got this right...

You need to grind valor rank 60 ( battlemaster bags ) to start gearing in Champion gear. Except a random piece or 2 that you got on your way up to 60.
And then you will have to pray for a random drop of a battlemaster commendation from those same bags.
And those bags can be obtained at a rate 16 per week at most...
bad way to fix broken system

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Yozbick
02.02.2012 , 11:14 AM | #132
I'd better grind my next guy to 50 before this patch. I've been enjoying some PVP and saving for 1000/1000 commendations to get 5 bags the day I hit 50 so the gap might not be too bad. With this nerf to Champion drops, I'm going to have to grind Valor from 30 to 60 before I can get anything good.

(My current 50 has 5 pieces of Champion armor at Valor 35, so the nerf is probably good news for him. If you don't have Champion armor pre-patch, you're not going to be getting it anytime soon.
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xOspreyx
02.02.2012 , 11:16 AM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Illuziun View Post
The way I see it is that the purpose of the bags is for tokens, with the bonus chance of getting a loot token. I'm not a huge fan of the completely random chances of a bonus item, but then again it's a bonus item after all.

I'll support anything to keep the progression pace slow. If I was fully geared by now, I would have quit the game already.
Well you are pvping for the wrong reason then. I think most pvpers do it for the challenge of competition. If you're doing it to collect gear then you should probably look at PvE because there is more gear to obtain and there are several layers of randomness in that.

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IlexGlabra
02.02.2012 , 11:23 AM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Yozbick View Post
I'd better grind my next guy to 50 before this patch. I've been enjoying some PVP and saving for 1000/1000 commendations to get 5 bags the day I hit 50 so the gap might not be too bad. With this nerf to Champion drops, I'm going to have to grind Valor from 30 to 60 before I can get anything good.

(My current 50 has 5 pieces of Champion armor at Valor 35, so the nerf is probably good news for him. If you don't have Champion armor pre-patch, you're not going to be getting it anytime soon.
I don't know, you're chances at getting Champion pieces out of those six bags really aren't so great. You might just end up with 18 Centurion Commendations instead. At that point, you would have been better waiting for 1.1.2 and the 'Greatly Increased' number of commendations provided (rather than the 18 you currently have).

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Briljin
02.02.2012 , 11:26 AM | #135
Some how they took an already bad reward system and managed to make it even worse. Seriously, that takes talent!

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RattyRattail
02.02.2012 , 11:31 AM | #136
So does this make BM tokens harder to get? The BM tokens are on a RNG system as well.
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GeorgZoeller
02.02.2012 , 11:31 AM | #137 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Let me just point this out, since there's confusion about it.

The 1.1.2. bag changes have reduced the RNG element on drops DRAMATICALLY. Exactly what you guys asked for.

Instead of hoping to get specific item tokens, you now get (more) commendations that you can turn into an item of your choice. That is a lot more deterministic and reliable than opening bags and hoping for a token.

-- Georg

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Saberolson
02.02.2012 , 11:37 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by randalthorr View Post
Why are they named champion bags in the first place, if they give centurion tokens
This!!

Why in gods name is the gear with the best secondary stats, so hard to get? Why is there no consistant way to get this, but the other 2 sets, have a way? I dont want power and accuracy, I want crit and surge. I dont even want the BM gear. I just want the champ gear! So now Bioware tells me the only way I had to get that, is going to be even more inconsistant!! WTH!

At least the BM gear has crit on it, the damn centurian gear is complete garbage. I know they understand the mechanics they have created around this gear. They have built most of the non caster DPS classes around crits! And even a sin running darkness that purley PVPs is going to want a ton of surge rating as almost every single shock he throws his a crit! This change makes no sense. I have no idea if the other classes gear is so poorly done, but for assassins, the champion gear is the only stuff that has proper secondary stats.

Even with what they said about wanting to close the gap between well geared and undergeared, this makes no sense. The only thing that would make this work, is if they changed the stats on the centurion gear to make them valuable to people, rather than being relegated to the land of companion gear.

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StealthNerf
02.02.2012 , 11:40 AM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgZoeller View Post
Let me just point this out, since there's confusion about it.

The 1.1.2. bag changes have reduced the RNG element on drops DRAMATICALLY. Exactly what you guys asked for.

Instead of hoping to get specific item tokens, you now get (more) commendations that you can turn into an item of your choice. That is a lot more deterministic and reliable than opening bags and hoping for a token.

-- Georg
I think the issue is that 'item of our choice' does not mean centurion gear.

I find centurion gear a poor 'if I really have to' alternative to champ gear. The only way it seems to be viable for me is if I do PvE operations to get level 56 mods to re-mod it (or remod it with duplicate champ gear I can pull the mods out of).

I really prefer the current RNG-based system. I've been able to get 75% champ gear within 2 weeks, and under the proposed new system, that sounds like it's impossible.

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Elhobo
02.02.2012 , 11:41 AM | #140
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So does this make BM tokens harder to get? The BM tokens are on a RNG system as well.
no it does not. as the patch notes say it only affects the champion gear tokens.


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The number of commendations in Champion and Battlemaster Bags has been greatly increased, and the direct item trade tokens appear less frequently in Champion Bags. This change allows players to obtain PvP gear at a steady and significantly more predictable rate with an occasional bonus.
i wonder if most of the people crying over and over again have even read the patch notes.
if you have nothing else to do then complain, dont just talk about it and please do go play something else, all the reasonable players will be glad about it.

to me this sounds just like a step in the right direction. it makes t1 pvp gear really easy to obtain at a steady rate.
then, until rank 60 you'll get your occasional t2 item bonus,
and finally, when u reach rank 60 you can complete your t2 in any order you like and still get the t3 battlemaster items at the same rate as people who are battlemaster now did before.

of course this is not yet the perfect solution but to me it looks like they are keeping their promises and reducing the gear power differences over several patches.

keep up the good work bw!