What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

hmm i wonder if anyone has ever thought this and then made a game? hmm i wonder if that game is well known.... and coming out with a sequal... at a time when many are tired of the current options available.

sorry just found it funny that you thought people would find just logging on and playing a crazy idea

Depends what kind of progression.

GW2 will have leaderboards, personal stats, achievements and realm ranking.

Oh yea thats right, realm ranking. Which realm is better? This will create some serious community building on servers. Guilds will merge with other guilds to form super guilds or come together and forge alliances to defeat other realms.

I don't need a +1 or +2 on my clown suit. You can keep playing SWTOR for that crap.

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/Bow

Agree

Sorry for the long post...

I'm at SWTOR, comming from WOW, but before WOW I was a Ultima Online player, and men, how I miss those fights; the adrenaline to kill someone and actually take away the loot while your opponents were trying to defend the loot was "epic".

My disappointment from WOW (played 3 years) was that you kill someone in world pvp and you get only stupid points that you will use to buy armor. Death guy will ress and start again whatever he was doing. Boring!!!!!

In Ultima you were getting loot and respect, the death guy was afraid to meet you again, or he will call friends to spank you.
I never forget the felling to be a noob and thinking "how those guys are skilled", and running like a chicken to avoid fighting, then, loosing countless armor pieces been death, but learning with experience until i became also a good pvp player and cry out loud "I see death people, this is my revenge!!"

I understand "Progressing theory" and have to agree with it; but also I dream on a zone were actually you could loot corps; maybe special equipments only usable on that zone that cost money, and some very restricted epic equipments were used on that zone (and you are actually afraid to loose then); (by zone I mean a map, not a stupid arena (box) were you go to fight comparing skill and equipment). sort of a pvp map, without progression. well, just dreaming...

Things I loved in Ultima Online:

- Even fights, 2 hours or 3 hours with the same opponents, and nobody was leaving the keyboard. one day i loose almost all my equipments, other day i will get my chests without space to deposit my loot.

- Houses or other protected areas - when facing more enemies that you could handle, playing mouse / cat until someone made and error; the satisfaction to take a larger number of players with a small party was superb.

-Except for equipments from special dungeons, people more or less will fight with similar equipment; you could always bring that special suit with maybe 10% more power, but when you die, you will loose it Risk it's at makes you feel you are alive!!!!

- Ressing people during fights, and ability to protect a fallen friend (fighting the income enemies in order to prevent / difficult then to loot your friend's body). Saving someone's belongings or die trying, or run away; decisions that you really had to take and live with your decisions.

-Recruting new guild members for our pvp guild, giving then the equipment they need that we have looted, and try to make then better players.


SWTOR PVP; i'm death, click button, run to battle, meanwhile protect someone only to get medals (even if the guy its not fight at all; enter a acid pit and heal yourself to get medals, (insert other **** trick here to get medals) and see your name at top spot in ending classification), get comendations/ points and gear up; now lets do the same, but with more gear.

I need to get really pissed of when I die, and my equipment is going away!
I need to get really mad when my wife calls me to help to open a bottle of wine and I leave my friends outnumbered.
I need to get crazy because my top equipment was looted and now I see that ***** using it to fight me

Make me hungry and I'm your slave BIOWARE!

The 10-49 bracket is much more fun than the 50s bracket. What sucks is that people want to get new gear so they suffer through matches that aren't fun to gear up. Anything that makes the 50s warzones more like the 10-49 bracket is very welcome in my book.

Why not just have a 50s bracket where stats are normalized and gear is irrelevant and it gives the same rewards as the gear based bracket. Then warzones at 50 would be skill based and fun.

World PvP can be gear-based... but I still wish expertise was removed entirely.

1000 ways to do character progression without gear progression, and 'VAST' gear progression.

Slight scaling would have done them wonders if they wanted a gear grind, but excluding Expertise, the stat bonuses along dramatically tip the scales which is bad.

NO! NO! NO!

Gear destroys world PVP... if anything leave it the WF's!!

I don't understand the argument that 1-49 is any better. You still are missing skills compared to higher levels. If I'm 25 and I'm playing a lvl 49, I better lose or that player is terrible. Same goes for lvl 50 pvp. If I'm in greens and blues, and someone else is in battlemaster, I better lose or that player is terrible.

Guess what? Both scenarios happen frequently. It is about skill. When skill is comparable, it boils down to gear. That last caveat doens't exist in the 10-49 bracket. That doesn't make it better, only more convenient. No one is winning a lot in any bracket and complaining. It's the people who lose that don't like it. Those people don't like the fact that they're either outgeared/outleveled (and who would like that? It's like the only difference between you and your opponent is time sunk into the game), or the fact that they're outskilled.

I can understand the frustration associated with the former, but a lot of you don't realize that you're victims of the latter. You just need to understand that you're being beaten by marginal differences in skill and system/server performance. That's the nature of all online pvp. The situations with gear/level are always going to be part of MMO pvp. No one is saying you're bad, but little things tip the scales against you. Maybe you're not the best.

Some of us have other things going on. Like a career, a family life, other hobbies.

I refuse to PAY a company to play a game that penalizes the casual player.

If you want to dump your soul into a game, be my guest. But don't penalize me for not doing the same.