What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Ultima Online PVP was by far the most fun I've ever had in an MMO.
Even though you could loot your bodies corpse, the main reason to PVP was notoriety and bragging rights.

PVP is a COMPETITION. Getting at least level 50 gear is part of your PREPARATION.

Well, since Bioware doesn't want people to be honest about what they think, here's the kiddie version.

Duels in SWG didn't mean anything.

Lolbusting was carebear ****. Way to earn your GCW, baddie.

What server were you on? If you say anything other than Bloodfin pre-2010 or Starsider post-2010, you are in no way qualified to comment on PvP in regards to that game.

If you don't wanna do the work, go PvE. There was still a gear grind in SWG, or did you foget the Heroic Jewlery? If you didn't have it, you were SORELY gimped.

Well, since Bioware doesn't want people to be honest about what they think, here's the kiddie version.

Duels in SWG didn't mean anything.

Lolbusting was carebear ****. Way to earn your GCW, baddie.

What server were you on? If you say anything other than Bloodfin pre-2010 or Starsider post-2010, you are in no way qualified to comment on PvP in regards to that game.

If you don't wanna do the work, go PvE. There was still a gear grind in SWG, or did you foget the Heroic Jewlery? If you didn't have it, you were SORELY gimped.

You can be honest and still actually contribute something to a conversation. Profanity and insults do not contribute anything.

What server I was on is just as irrelevant as the insults you posted in the post that was deleted.

Part of the problem with discussing SWG is the game was around for a very long time. So there were different eras we could be talking about.

You say you played that game for a few years. I played since Beta and stuck with it all the way to the end. And PVPed CONSTANTLY. But that alone does not win the argument.

This argument is about skill vs gear. I feel (and I am clearly not alone) that the work one puts into becoming skilled in their class and build is the work that should earn someone victory.

I also feel (and am equally not alone) that one should not have to volunteer to die for bad players over and over again in "PVP" matches where due to gear disparity no amount of quick thinking or skill will land you a victory. This is patently absurd. And is not entertaining for anyone save the people who managed to get geared first. It is not good for the long term health of PVP in this game. Even the Blizzard Giant admitted that resilience and arena was a bad idea.

Heroic jewelry was not something you got by being thrashed over and over and over again by other players who were lucky enough to get gear. And even then, there was no single piece of gear that would give you "auto win" in PVP in SWG other then some DOT weapons, that everyone in the community acknowledged any "wins" gained by using them were not earned. And that nobody who won because of them was "skilled".

What we have now, is a new generation of bad PVPers who suggest that they should not have to learn how to PVP to win. They project their own flaws of being "lazy" or feeling "entitled" onto the people who want to see how good they really are.

People who ***** about the status quo on the forums, whether or not they're forum monkeys, get no sympathy from me. People who post an argument, no matter how well written and thought out, that is irrelevant do not get civility. It has been stated OVER and OVER and OVER that this game is NOT like ANYTHING that SWG was. You're ignoring that, blatantly, because you want SWG pre-CU back. And believe me, I do too. If my own time in SWG is going to come up, it was since Oct. 08, also all the way to the end. If you think i'm any happier about the overall stupidity and thickheadedness in this game than you are you're dead wrong.

My point is that you ought to know by now, purely from the standpoint of the action we've seen from Bioware, that this thread is not going to do anything. What you're ultimatly suggesting is a fundamental rebuild of the way PvP works in this game. That is not a reasonable wish, nor is it feasible. More often than not, the gear you seem to hate so much means little compared to the overall teamwork involved. How else could the imperials of my server who are SEVERELY outclassed by the 100% battlemaster Republics on our server occasionally slaughter them? From time to time people pull their heads out, listen, and tactics win the day AS IT STANDS. However, if your team is being a load of jackwagons then no ****, gear will carry the day.

And come on, you can't tell me gear didn't matter in SWG. If you were stacking Booster Assembly as a *********** Smuggler then no amount of skill was going to save you, so your skill argument is moot. Unless you 100% REMOVE ALL GEAR from the game, then the argument will ALWAYS be invalid.

*Edit: Also, make whatever comments you want about my character, but i'm sick of seeing all the rampant QQ. I, for one, and grateful that we even still HAVE a Star Wars game. Forums are a terrible idea, and I for one would be glad to seem Bioware take them down permanently.

People who have logical points, have no reason not to be civil.

It would seem however that your assessment that this thread and those like it will "not do anything" I would say you are in error.



They are also working on changing the system to make the economy more player crafter based. Like it was in SWG. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=260731

Ok, so you've won then. And the community as a whole, has won. I was unaware of that thread, else I may have responded differently. My apologies.