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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Tyranoc
02.07.2012 , 07:10 PM | #741
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
It's pretty simple Math.

If you were a good player, you would not need a mathematical advantage. The logic is simple and sound. You can call us more names or whatever you have to do to continue to pretend you have in some way gained any leeway in this debate, but you failed. Utterly.
There will always be someone with an advantage. There is NEVER an even playing field.

For someone who is supposedly "skilled" and a good player you sure do complain and cry alot. Especially since you can buy all gear now, so you shouldnt have any issues fighting geared ppl.

But by all means continue complaining

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Delekii
02.07.2012 , 07:14 PM | #742
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
There will always be someone with an advantage. There is NEVER an even playing field.

For someone who is supposedly "skilled" and a good player you sure do complain and cry alot. Especially since you can buy all gear now, so you shouldnt have any issues fighting geared ppl.

But by all means continue complaining
Of course there will always be some sort of advantage, that really has no bearing on the DECISION to impose that advantage to such a large degree. That's like when people say x or y should be legal because people do it anyway. Whatever the reality, the GOAL should be to have skill be the only deciding factor, and all actions should be based around achieving that goal. Any argument to the contrary is an argument against skill based pvp.

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Seriasx
02.07.2012 , 07:16 PM | #743
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
There will always be someone with an advantage. There is NEVER an even playing field.

For someone who is supposedly "skilled" and a good player you sure do complain and cry alot. Especially since you can buy all gear now, so you shouldnt have any issues fighting geared ppl.

But by all means continue complaining
Yeah, but the advantage should be class and game knowledge, not something you found inside a bag.

But hey I like how you think his problem was that he didn't want to be owned by people in the BM gear when he was actually talking about the entire siutation where even people in BM gear fighting noobie 50s with no pvp gear should be the ones asking for gear to be brought to an even playing level. If he were at all concerned with pvp that is.




I think the real problem is that pvp wasnt created to be an entire game or playstyle, nor was it ever meant to have tangible rewards for participating, the entire purpose of pvp was to face challenging content from an enemy who could not be anticipated.

What its turned into is bad players needing gear to press 1 through 4 at random intervals while being too inept to grasp whats happening around them.

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caultonpos
02.07.2012 , 07:18 PM | #744
1-49 is not balanced. A level 49 will wipe the floor with a level less than 20. Much more dps.

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Seriasx
02.07.2012 , 07:21 PM | #745
Quote: Originally Posted by caultonpos View Post
1-49 is not balanced. A level 49 will wipe the floor with a level less than 20. Much more dps.
Wrong.


My level 36 was killing everyone with ease from level 10 till now, the only difference is they get more abilities but the base dmg/crit/surge levels all remain very close to one another.

I don't expect you to grasp the differences between a new 50 vs. a BM'd 50, nor do I expect you to understand the differences between a level 10 and 49 under the bolster system, but it sure would be nice if you didn't reply as if you did know~

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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 07:29 PM | #746
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
There will always be someone with an advantage. There is NEVER an even playing field.

For someone who is supposedly "skilled" and a good player you sure do complain and cry alot. Especially since you can buy all gear now, so you shouldnt have any issues fighting geared ppl.

But by all means continue complaining
For someone who claims to be good you sure do spend a lot of time defending your gear crutch.

By the way, you can keep calling legitimate arguments "crying" if that suits your trolling. Logically you lost this argument dozens of pages ago.

This is further evidenced by your inability to address the very real issues raised in this thread. Maybe if you just act like a high school bully reality will change?
Want to hunt griefers/gankers?
Do you like to PVP, OR RP, OR both, or either?
Honor might just be the guild for you!

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Brutem
02.07.2012 , 07:48 PM | #747
Quote: Originally Posted by Seriasx View Post
Yeah, but the advantage should be class and game knowledge, not something you found inside a bag.
Game knowledge/player skill/teamwork should be the main factors pvp, if players need a "carrot" then give them something cosmetic. I do not buy the "I need a carrot on a stick" arguement, when those using it are saying they are dedicated pvpers, perhaps dedicated to gear but not pvp. PvP should be about teamwork, competition and most of all fun, not gear. Thanks to PvP gear you have the current state of Ilum, kill/cap trade to get that "carrot".

The only issue, if there wasn't pvp gear is, whomever has the best PvE gear would be the dominate force. The solution, start of the WZ or when entering a world pvp zone, you automatically equip a set of pvp gear, which you have picked of a certain item level. While you are in said area or WZ you can only have that gear on, no swapping. This in turn would eliminate gear from being a factor at all, then player skill and teamwork will be the major factors and not gear.

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caultonpos
02.07.2012 , 08:26 PM | #748
Quote: Originally Posted by Seriasx View Post
Wrong.


My level 36 was killing everyone with ease from level 10 till now, the only difference is they get more abilities but the base dmg/crit/surge levels all remain very close to one another.

I don't expect you to grasp the differences between a new 50 vs. a BM'd 50, nor do I expect you to understand the differences between a level 10 and 49 under the bolster system, but it sure would be nice if you didn't reply as if you did know~

You are truly clueless.

Yes the base damage is bolstered.

As a level 10 marauder I have a few skills - with cooldowns and my dps is low.

As a level 30 marauder I have a ton of skills and 1v1 I will rip my level 10 counterpart apart in no time.

not to mention as a I level and gear up my crit goes UP

l2p

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Jebi
02.07.2012 , 08:48 PM | #749
Quote: Originally Posted by caultonpos View Post
You are truly clueless.

Yes the base damage is bolstered.

As a level 10 marauder I have a few skills - with cooldowns and my dps is low.

As a level 30 marauder I have a ton of skills and 1v1 I will rip my level 10 counterpart apart in no time.

not to mention as a I level and gear up my crit goes UP

l2p
The L2P argument doesn't really work when you're trying to convince someone why THEY SHOULD BE LOSING.

Damage is bolstered, gear is bolstered, skills are bolstered, HP is bolstered, stats are bolstered etc...

Sure, you don't have all the abilities of the higher level's, but if you actually know how to play your class, and how to use the environment to your advantage... you can easily take down much higher level players.

As a level 15 jug I got my solo kill medal from taking down a level 43 jug (one on one, at a cap point, nobody else around). Then, he came back and tried again. Same outcome (minus the medal unfortunately).

As a level 20 merc I was topping the damage chart, and objectives, and don't fear any class 1 v 1 regardless of level.

As a level 40 sorc I have zero problems topping healing AND damage even against level 49 twinks.

Maybe it's you who needs to L2P.

And nobody is saying 10-49 is perfectly balanced, but it's FAR better than the level 50 gear discrepancy garbage we are currently stuck with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
For someone who claims to be good you sure do spend a lot of time defending your gear crutch.

By the way, you can keep calling legitimate arguments "crying" if that suits your trolling. Logically you lost this argument dozens of pages ago.
Yeah, but you had to admit he's entertaining. Poor kid doesn't know when to give up.

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xrizxriz
02.07.2012 , 09:19 PM | #750
The issue I see with PVP now is similar to watching a NFL team play against a High school Foot ball team. Too much of the time one team is noob to PVP 50's against a team that most of the players do nothing but play PvP. What happens is just not fun to to losing side and though I know it's fair in terms of the game, why should someone even bother with PvP unless that's all they want out of the game?

A lot of people like to play basket ball besides professional NBA players but is it fun if the regular guy can only play against NBA players?