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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Soulcheg
02.07.2012 , 02:59 PM | #731
Quote: Originally Posted by DrHalux View Post
You know it's sorta silly, if the PvP in a game was enjoyable you wouldn't need an "incentive to keep playing". Having an incentive such as the gear system that swtor relies so heavily on to keep us playing just highlights how terrible the PvP mechanics are.

The good PvP mechanics=good incentive to keep skilled players coming back for more
Bad PvP mechanics= build in an incentive since there is not one innately inherent
Classes isn't balanced, skills still broken, what about you talking?


And do not forget, please, it's a MMORPG, not a single RPG, so there will always be progression and there is always be a gap between old players and a new ones. It's a MMORPG.

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Abiza
02.07.2012 , 03:08 PM | #732
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhogn View Post
Agree. Unfortunately this is a business. I'll go out on a limb (not really) and say the majority of the player base is NOT skilled, and thus the business doesn't really cater to them. The majority of the player base like shinies, incentives and playing with an advantage (see FOTM, zerging, 50s camping 30 zones etc... for proof of that). Unfortunately the success of WoW has created a player base that for some reason demands/expects hamster wheels and ever increasing hamster wheels, even a few weeks after launch. Personally wish it were different and hope a happy medium can be obtained - and still looking fwd to seeing how GW2 progresses.

MMO = Hamster Wheel.
Progression = Hamster Wheel.
You = Hamster on a wheel.
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Mackuss
02.07.2012 , 04:14 PM | #733
2 things.

1) - There is no such thing as a 1-49 bracket. You can't PvP at level 1.... It's 10-49.

2) - I agree with most everything else. I really don't understand why companies don't take EXACT notes from games like Call of Duty and battlefield. There is no gear grind, yet people still remain LARGELY and EXTREMELY interested and look how many people play those games still?
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Delavager
02.07.2012 , 04:28 PM | #734
Quote: Originally Posted by Mackuss View Post
2) - I agree with most everything else. I really don't understand why companies don't take EXACT notes from games like Call of Duty and battlefield. There is no gear grind, yet people still remain LARGELY and EXTREMELY interested and look how many people play those games still?
Fact: People play MMORPG's for gear progression and the like. It's an RPG, not an FPS or RTS or Action game or what have you.

Fact: Different games are different.

Fact: MMORPG's are about progression and most importantly CUSTOMIZATION. The ability to BUILD your character is what defines an RPG.

Fact: Not as many people play those games for as long as they play MMORPGs. MMORPGs have to be bigger and better than CoD and Battlefield in order to be profitable.

Fact: Though I too favor equality in PvP I use my brain and realize there exist other people other than me that play this game, nearly 1,699,999 other people in fact. BW must try to cater to as many people as possible to maintain high levels of subscriptions. Just cause you don't like it, doesn't mean everybody doesn't like it. I think they did a really really good job to appeal to both the gear progression fans, the RPG aspects of the game, and the equality aspect of the game. The reality is it does not take that long to get on equal footing with those with better gear than you all things considering. It's a trade off, you get dumped on for a week or two and then you are fine, meanwhile BW still appeases the gear progression, and you are appeased two weeks later with equality.

Fact: Ranked Warzones will solve so many problems. Those with UBER GEAR will less likely match up against those with NEWBISH GEAR due to ratings.

Fact: There are many ways to curb the disparity of gear between new 50s and bm 50s that most players just ignore. Someone made a post earlier how you could be in full purples (sans bracers and waist) in less than 2 days immediately after hitting 50. Does this solve the problem? No but it makes it much much easier to deal with.

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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 05:49 PM | #735
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
Exactly. I point this out, but they constantly scream and stomp their feet refusing to believe its them. They can't possibly be bad, everyone else is cheating!!!!
It's pretty simple Math.

If you were a good player, you would not need a mathematical advantage. The logic is simple and sound. You can call us more names or whatever you have to do to continue to pretend you have in some way gained any leeway in this debate, but you failed. Utterly.
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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 05:52 PM | #736
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranoc View Post
Its not an exploit. Its the game mechanics. Nor did I say I would use exploits. I simply said if you get rid of expertise and/or PvP armour people like myself will use Rakata. You would then whingge about that because you didnt have that, and its was leaving you butt hurt... Then you'd want BW to give you Rakata or get rid of it, in which case we would find some other armour set or trinket to give us an advantage over the skilless players like yourself. Thats not exploiting its using the gear available to maximise potential. Optimisation! No hacks. No Cheats. No exploits. The items exist in game and can be used in game. Its smart people out smarting dumb people by using the best gear they can find for advantage over the competition... Welcome to survival of the fittest!!!!

You obviously don't make the cut. Hence the crying.

The two of you just cant accept the fact that you can't play. Hence you not having gear. Everyone here is admitting how easy it is to get it. So use your "skills" to get it already and stop crying!

Or better yet cancel your subscription and go back to your "real pvp" games.
Maybe if you repeat this completely illogical garbage enough people might agree with you?

People who need a gear crutch are bad players.

Good players do not need a gear crutch.

Please explain to me what about having a code advantage does to somehow make you "good"?

Please explain to me how a game that creates those handicaps is somehow producing "better" players?

This is the point you continually try to ignore, and the reason why is because it spits in the face of your "logic" is that if you were a "good" player you would not need an advantage. You could win on equal terms consistently.

You have failed to address this simple logic more then once, and have relied instead solely on name calling and other lo brow tactics. You are barking up the wrong tree if you think cyber-bullying is going to win you anything here. You have lost.
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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 05:58 PM | #737
Quote: Originally Posted by Krondorf View Post
Yeah I know what you mean.

Dont forget, he is the "internet soldier" ... the one and only.

I dont want to waste my time conversing with him anymore.
I just dont have time for immature, rude and clueless adolescents.

Anyways great post you have here Torleen.
Appreciate the time and effort you've put in this. And we share a common interest in PvP where skills comes first. Unlike wannabe pvpers.
What is amazing is how they continue to try and delude themselves and the PVP community to believe that they are the "good" players.

It is a basic rule of competition that all competitors start on the same footing. Anyone who suggested that they should start on the 50 yard line at the 100 meter dash would be laughed off the field. If they tried to brag about any "wins" they were handed with such a handicap against their opponents they would be disgraced.

The sheer absurdity of this "logic" is just astounding. The entitlement to "winning" spits in the face of anything competitive. Watch as they try to conceal the truth behind insults and other nonsense. It's all they have left when someone pulls aside the curtain to reveal the Wizard Of Oz is just an old guy with some special effects.
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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 05:59 PM | #738
Quote: Originally Posted by GyroGate View Post
Trust me, if there where no gear to blame - most people would start blaming other things, like class imbalance, adrenals / stims, latency etc etc etc.

Bad players will always be bad, no matter how easy the devs make it for them.
Excessive gear disparity is about the devs trying to make PVP easy for grinders who cannot learn to play.
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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 06:03 PM | #739
Quote: Originally Posted by Safgril View Post
Let me Paraphrase the OP here:

I enjoy twinking a level 49 and facerolling level 10s in the 10-49 rather then get to 50 and have it done to me in the same manner.

I am too lazy to work for the gear that was provided at 50 which is NOT that hard to get to be honest. If I would of Played warhammer online I would of thought that to be a ton harder then this game to get gear.

SO I will tell everybody on this forum that 10-49 is better...

end of paraphrase....

LOL are you kidding... you are doing exactly what you hate you at 50... by twinking a 49 out in gear with crafted items and orange gear and facing off on level 10's is just the same as what happens to fresh 50s in the 50 bracket.

whats the difference?

anyway, people like this make me laugh. Same type of person decked out in BM is the same as a twinked 49...

IRONY
Lets work on a little thing called reading comprehension. I just suggested that I do not like gear disparity. I did not say a word about enjoying being a twink, or playing a twink. So basically you just pulled this nonsense out of thin air based on nothing. If I don't like gear disparity at 50, why would I like it at 49? Or any level?

You totally fail.
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Torleen
02.07.2012 , 06:07 PM | #740
Quote: Originally Posted by CapitaFK View Post
Stopped reading here. Time spent doesn't amount to skill. It could arguably lead to becoming more familiar with the class, but seriously? Just how difficult are the mechanics in this game to require any more than levels 1-49 to learn to play your class?

After that, it's just whoever has the most amount of time to spend grinding it out, and has absolutely nothing to do with being skilled. I've seen so many people in full Champion gear and gearing out Battlemaster who honestly don't know what to do after their ability gets canceled and just stand there with their finger up their butt.

Speaking of which, the fact that so many people got Battlemaster by sitting in Ilum all day trading kills with the opposite faction. That equals skill too, I bet. In fact, a good amount of them start bragging about how great they are for being Battlemaster. It's like, dude, you stood in a group and got AOE'd by Republics, respawned and typed /stuck, then AOE'd them back a few minutes later, back and forth, for 10 hours straight. So much skill!
lol yeah...
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