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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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Beyaco
02.07.2012 , 02:17 AM | #691
Quote: Originally Posted by PsilosLon View Post
Totally agree.
There should also be an option to enable/disable xp gains from pvp so that people could stay at the 10-49 league as long as they wish
Horrible idea...

Why, so we can have a bunch of level 49 twinks destroying the level 10s and 20s? You are complaining about entering the 50 bracket because of the gear gap, yet you want to create one in the 10-49 bracket? Hello, am I the only one who feels this way?

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Abiza
02.07.2012 , 02:21 AM | #692
Quote: Originally Posted by Beyaco View Post
Horrible idea...

Why, so we can have a bunch of level 49 twinks destroying the level 10s and 20s? You are complaining about entering the 50 bracket because of the gear gap, yet you want to create one in the 10-49 bracket? Hello, am I the only one who feels this way?
See the post I just made

Unfortunately, fighting illogical people with logic is a futile task.
"At the end of the day everyone has to die, you should be honored the assassin chose you to die."

>>>It's not me! It's you! A guide to SWTOR PVP<<<

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UncleJimbo
02.07.2012 , 02:22 AM | #693
This thread is useless, no constructive talk, just people fighting with keyboards and absolutely no solution or possible fix.
As I see it, the main problem is with this new age MMO community that ask for a change/fix but never think of a solution to provide.

It is very simple in this case:
- do PvP when you level so you can get some gear at 50; I am level 30 and already have one box in the cargo and I am 700/700 commendations and the level 46 gun (which will be changed, but just in case and Valor rank 28)
- if you did not PvP before 50 do not be a scrub and go in level 40 - 45 green because you will get owned
- if you do not have gear help your team in other ways, I heard healink, taunting, guarding is good. If you are an ubber dps class and cannot spec into the above mentioned chances are that you have a stealth mode. Use it to your advantage and drop low HP players and pick battles that you have a fair chance to win, not that 20k Battlemaster tank.
- if you do not have gear and you suffer form acute dps disorder, then stick to a healer and protect him, do not worry if you get owned because you helped your team a lot by allowing the healer to throw a couple of extra heals to heavy geared players.

Really some of the players should learn how to play in a team, even if you are not in a premade. Most of these so called "WoW gladiators" refuse to be part of the team because random warzone/Ilum groups are full of re***rds, as they claim, but maybe if they started playing as a team and not as a Quake Arena frag master, then the games would be more fan and people would not complain as much, because they would be busy playing the game and hafing FUN.

TL;DR: The solution is simple, low gear players help the team out, do not think you're Rambo or Yoda even if you have a BFG or a flashy lightsaber.

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Inflicktion
02.07.2012 , 02:24 AM | #694
While I would tend to agree with the OP, it only makes sense that someone who has invested more time and effort into the game should be better. Stop posting on the forums and get some of your own gear and it comes back down to skill. . .

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Abiza
02.07.2012 , 02:26 AM | #695
Quote: Originally Posted by UncleJimbo View Post
This thread is useless, no constructive talk, just people fighting with keyboards and absolutely no solution or possible fix.
As I see it, the main problem is with this new age MMO community that ask for a change/fix but never think of a solution to provide.

It is very simple in this case:
- do PvP when you level so you can get some gear at 50; I am level 30 and already have one box in the cargo and I am 700/700 commendations and the level 46 gun (which will be changed, but just in case and Valor rank 28)
- if you did not PvP before 50 do not be a scrub and go in level 40 - 45 green because you will get owned
- if you do not have gear help your team in other ways, I heard healink, taunting, guarding is good. If you are an ubber dps class and cannot spec into the above mentioned chances are that you have a stealth mode. Use it to your advantage and drop low HP players and pick battles that you have a fair chance to win, not that 20k Battlemaster tank.
- if you do not have gear and you suffer form acute dps disorder, then stick to a healer and protect him, do not worry if you get owned because you helped your team a lot by allowing the healer to throw a couple of extra heals to heavy geared players.

Really some of the players should learn how to play in a team, even if you are not in a premade. Most of these so called "WoW gladiators" refuse to be part of the team because random warzone/Ilum groups are full of re***rds, as they claim, but maybe if they started playing as a team and not as a Quake Arena frag master, then the games would be more fan and people would not complain as much, because they would be busy playing the game and hafing FUN.

TL;DR: The solution is simple, low gear players help the team out, do not think you're Rambo or Yoda even if you have a BFG or a flashy lightsaber.
This thread is actually useless for an entirely different reason. BW is about to introduce entry level PVP gear to fresh 50's in the next patch. Gear gap be damned.
"At the end of the day everyone has to die, you should be honored the assassin chose you to die."

>>>It's not me! It's you! A guide to SWTOR PVP<<<

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Safgril
02.07.2012 , 02:27 AM | #696
Let me Paraphrase the OP here:

I enjoy twinking a level 49 and facerolling level 10s in the 10-49 rather then get to 50 and have it done to me in the same manner.

I am too lazy to work for the gear that was provided at 50 which is NOT that hard to get to be honest. If I would of Played warhammer online I would of thought that to be a ton harder then this game to get gear.

SO I will tell everybody on this forum that 10-49 is better...

end of paraphrase....

LOL are you kidding... you are doing exactly what you hate you at 50... by twinking a 49 out in gear with crafted items and orange gear and facing off on level 10's is just the same as what happens to fresh 50s in the 50 bracket.

whats the difference?

anyway, people like this make me laugh. Same type of person decked out in BM is the same as a twinked 49...

IRONY

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Abiza
02.07.2012 , 02:29 AM | #697
Quote: Originally Posted by Safgril View Post
Let me Paraphrase the OP here:

I enjoy twinking a level 49 and facerolling level 10s in the 10-49 rather then get to 50 and have it done to me in the same manner.

I am too lazy to work for the gear that was provided at 50 which is NOT that hard to get to be honest. If I would of Played warhammer online I would of thought that to be a ton harder then this game to get gear.

SO I will tell everybody on this forum that 10-49 is better...

end of paraphrase....

LOL are you kidding... you are doing exactly what you hate you at 50... by twinking a 49 out in gear with crafted items and orange gear and facing off on level 10's is just the same as what happens to fresh 50s in the 50 bracket.

whats the difference?

anyway, people like this make me laugh. Same type of person decked out in BM is the same as a twinked 49...

IRONY
Can I hug you? A high five perhaps?
"At the end of the day everyone has to die, you should be honored the assassin chose you to die."

>>>It's not me! It's you! A guide to SWTOR PVP<<<

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Synxos
02.07.2012 , 02:30 AM | #698
Quote: Originally Posted by sheerhatred View Post

DAOC realm point system was were it was at. All this grinding for gear is straight lame. Anyone who came from DAoc or game like shadow bane will tell you what real PVP is.
Yep, in shadowbane, not only could a max level player kill a level 20 player. But that max level player had best in slot items.
Those were the good old days.

Wait a second?
You guys are complaining that level 50s can kill you with better gear?
Man up and learn to play.

Anyone complaining about the gear system, obviously doesn't know much about PvP in RPGs. I have a feeling many posters here, have only had experience with WoW.
Nothing at all is stopping you from getting the gear yourself. In other games, people could actually stop you entirely from getting gear, or take it from your dead body.

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Kheldor
02.07.2012 , 02:42 AM | #699
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
People are leaving the 50's bracket and re-rolling characters so that they can continue to PVP in the 1-49 Brackets.

Lets really think about what that means.

It means that people would rather do the PVE grind AGAIN then put up with being the equivalent of being grey mobs in WZs who's purpose seems to be to entertain no one but the people who are lucky enough to have more free time or unlucky enough to simply have no life who get to kill you over and over again.

It means that PVP is MORE exciting when your adrenaline is pumping because you are in a pitched battle with someone who does the same damage and takes the same damage you do and it really comes down to quick thinking, reflexes and strategy that you EARNED through practice rather then because you have a statistical advantage over your opponent. Where the timing of every shot counts. And obviously that is going to be more exciting then losing simply because your opponent hits far harder and takes far less damage.

Gear based "PVP" is not a test of a player vs a player unless people really think that because someone was able to do more repetitive tasks over and over again because they don't have kids, or a job or a life (Or simply are willing to sacrifice those things they should be spending more time on) is somehow something that people can be tested for and be lauded as if they "accomplished" something.

The grind olympics? Is that something you want to be remembered for? You were better at wasting more time in your life then someone else so you "win"?

If we are going to have brackets, I think we should have a bracket where Expertise is shut off. ESPECIALLY if you are thinking E-sport. And ESPECIALLY if you are going to have a PVP rating system.

I have a feeling that bracket would be far more populated.

EDIT TO CLEAR UP A MISCONCEPTION: I do not feel that gear should no longer be acquirable through PVP. I feel that gear should be attainable through PVP, and be on par with gear in PVE. And that the advantage gear affords be curbed in PVP across the board. I am not asking for PVE to cause someone to win PVP. Resilience was the wrong answer. Expertise is no better.
Very well said.

It would be FAR better to have a system similar to Dark Age of Camelot where you earned Realm Points and purchased skills, buffs and abilities for the CHARACTER, not the gear. Then those that were skilled and pvp'd a long time would have their advantage that they want without it being tied to gear at all. However, a really skilled RR4 could take on a RR7 and have a shot, based on skill...not gear.

DAOC also had bracketed battlegrounds:

Level Groups
L20 - 24
L25 - 29
L30 - 35
L36 - 39
L40 - 44
L45 - 49

There was no such thing as a buff needed to simulate ballpark equality, it was unnecessary.

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SM_ru
02.07.2012 , 03:00 AM | #700
All those "gear should not matter in PVP" whiners forget 1 thing. Actually when you have equal gear with your enemy its all about skill vs skill again (though you can talk about classes differences and all this OP/UP thingy).
Also dont think that battlemaster title automatically gives you all bm gear at once. I`m a bm and still missing 2 pieces of champion (including mainhand lol). So your enemies might be not so overpowered as you think. And not to mention that bm set is just slightly better than champion and is not creating a huge difference at all.
Moreover - fighting against better geared/skilled opponents make you a better player. Its as simple as that. You learn how to manage ur fights, cds, how to escape with los and cc etc. Playing objectives instead of medal hunt helps too. A fresh 50 w 12k hp can be more usefull to the team, than some clueless bm.
Actually i find lvl50 pvp far more enjoyable, than 10-49 bracket. Facerolling lvl10s w your 40+ toon becomes boring very quickly.
And a last one - dont forget its mmorpg, and mmorpgs are all about your character progression. If you dont want to work for your gear, maybe its just not your kind of game. Go and play something else.