What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Um... I think you are confused... With my Cube equiped my Expertise is 590...

590 expertise =

+11.37 Damage Boost in PvP
+11.37 Damage Reduction in PvP
+11.37 Healing Boost in PvP

11.37% Damage boost + 11.37% damage reduction does not equal 22.74% or 20% damage boost like you claim.

If I earn 30% more than you, and am 45% richer than you, that does not mean my wage is 75% more than yours...

Your logic confuses me...

flaw in your theory:

You DONT both start at 100% damage.

Youll lose (pretty conservatively) almost 150-200 bonus damage going from PvE to PvP gear. (from lost main stat and the like).

On my shots as a sniper.. thats a loss of more than 13% damage. 450 damage on ambush alone. (which is a 22% loss) and this isn't even counting lost crit and surge rating into the mix.

So, given equal gear (Battlemaster V Rakata, Columi V Champ, and the equally useless Tionese V Centurion), the PvP guy starts at a deficit.

If i do 1000 dps in Rakata, for instance... a Battlemaster starts at 800dps.

(just made up numbers, but the percentages aren't off by much).

So if he gets a 13.5% damage bonus...

thatll bring him up to 930dps or so, still below the guy in Rakata.

That's the point im trying to make. Couple that with the guy in Rakata ALSO having a lot more HP (up to 3k more depending on class) .. and it becomes something of a wash.

And thats what im saying - given equal item levels, its a wash. It's meant to prevent PvP gear from PvE, not the other way around.

Stopped reading here. Time spent doesn't amount to skill. It could arguably lead to becoming more familiar with the class, but seriously? Just how difficult are the mechanics in this game to require any more than levels 1-49 to learn to play your class?

After that, it's just whoever has the most amount of time to spend grinding it out, and has absolutely nothing to do with being skilled. I've seen so many people in full Champion gear and gearing out Battlemaster who honestly don't know what to do after their ability gets canceled and just stand there with their finger up their butt.

Speaking of which, the fact that so many people got Battlemaster by sitting in Ilum all day trading kills with the opposite faction. That equals skill too, I bet. In fact, a good amount of them start bragging about how great they are for being Battlemaster. It's like, dude, you stood in a group and got AOE'd by Republics, respawned and typed /stuck, then AOE'd them back a few minutes later, back and forth, for 10 hours straight. So much skill!

It teaches you that people who newly hit 50 don`t want to work for their cent/champ gear like everyone else who, before them did, and wants their gear handed to them because they expect to just hit 50 and compete with other people when in the history of games, that`s just not how it works..

People are leaving the 50's bracket and re-rolling characters so that they can continue to PVP in the 1-49 Brackets.

Lets really think about what that means.

It means that people would rather do the PVE grind AGAIN then put up with being the equivalent of being grey mobs in WZs who's purpose seems to be to entertain no one but the people who are lucky enough to have more free time or unlucky enough to simply have no life who get to kill you over and over again.

It means that PVP is MORE exciting when your adrenaline is pumping because you are in a pitched battle with someone who does the same damage and takes the same damage you do and it really comes down to quick thinking, reflexes and strategy that you EARNED through practice rather then because you have a statistical advantage over your opponent. Where the timing of every shot counts. And obviously that is going to be more exciting then losing simply because your opponent hits far harder and takes far less damage.

Gear based "PVP" is not a test of a player vs a player unless people really think that because someone was able to do more repetitive tasks over and over again because they don't have kids, or a job or a life (Or simply are willing to sacrifice those things they should be spending more time on) is somehow something that people can be tested for and be lauded as if they "accomplished" something.

The grind olympics? Is that something you want to be remembered for? You were better at wasting more time in your life then someone else so you "win"?

If we are going to have brackets, I think we should have a bracket where Expertise is shut off. ESPECIALLY if you are thinking E-sport. And ESPECIALLY if you are going to have a PVP rating system.

I have a feeling that bracket would be far more populated.

EDIT TO CLEAR UP A MISCONCEPTION: I do not feel that gear should no longer be acquirable through PVP. I feel that gear should be attainable through PVP, and be on par with gear in PVE. And that the advantage gear affords be curbed in PVP across the board. I am not asking for PVE to cause someone to win PVP. Resilience was the wrong answer. Expertise is no better.

The amount of nerd rage in this thread is mind blowing. If you don't like a game, don't play it. No one's opinion is better than anyone else's. Now get over yourselves.

Totally agree.
There should also be an option to enable/disable xp gains from pvp so that people could stay at the 10-49 league as long as they wish