What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

PVP gear isn't skilled. It's just a matter of who grinds the most. You could derp and hit 1 button all day and get full PVP gear to faceroll someone who doesn't. You call that skill?

Meet me in GW or GW2 where gear is a non-issue and I'll be happy to show you the difference between gear and skill.

Oh, that's right. All the noob WoW TBC PVPers who grew up with Resilience think PVP gear makes you good.

What does 1-49 tell us about PvP gear?





Nothing.





What does it actually tell us?





Talent points matter


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Pretty much this ^.

Funny watching all these post WOW 'PVP'ers' (lol) getting sooooo defensive about their gear advantage... it's kinda like... they are scared or somefin???

Just gonna stop you right there. You're saying a a commando can't get 300k. REALLY?. I don't care what your gear is, your AC abilities scream easy damage. Your problem isn't expertise, it's that you don't know what you're doing in a WZ. At all. Don't even get me started on the rest of the excuses you just dished out.

1-49 skill > gear with the bolster system
50+ gear > skill although gear and skill >>all

the anwser to your post is GW2, where no one get better gears in pvp but only choose the skills to use and the Most skilled team with the best players win.

thats it, and yes pvp based on gear is retarded...

they even plan on making GW2 an E-Sport like SC2.. cause its all skills and techniques.

anyway the pvp is a joke in TOR. nice try Bioware

As a fan of irony, I'm enjoying you belittling players and their non-skill advantages in order to defend the non-skill advantage of PvP gear.

flaw in your theory:

You DONT both start at 100% damage.

Youll lose (pretty conservatively) almost 150-200 bonus damage going from PvE to PvP gear. (from lost main stat and the like).

On my shots as a sniper.. thats a loss of more than 13% damage. 450 damage on ambush alone. (which is a 22% loss) and this isn't even counting lost crit and surge rating into the mix.

So, given equal gear (Battlemaster V Rakata, Columi V Champ, and the equally useless Tionese V Centurion), the PvP guy starts at a deficit.

If i do 1000 dps in Rakata, for instance... a Battlemaster starts at 800dps.

(just made up numbers, but the percentages aren't off by much).

So if he gets a 13.5% damage bonus...

thatll bring him up to 930dps or so, still below the guy in Rakata.

That's the point im trying to make. Couple that with the guy in Rakata ALSO having a lot more HP (up to 3k more depending on class) .. and it becomes something of a wash.

And thats what im saying - given equal item levels, its a wash. It's meant to prevent PvP gear from PvE, not the other way around.

pvp titles and ranks and cosmetic stuff would be enough.

There are plenty of mmos where people pvp to pvp. its only these themepark raidgrinding pve based mmos that feel the need to really reward people grinding pvp.

That said pve gear looks horrible in this game so untill they fix that keep the pvp gear in, its honestly the only gear i even want to get.

Just adding in my own thoughts on this. I agree with having PvP sets in the game. Sets that are acquired through PvP, as opposed to PvE, for those who vastly prefer PvP over PvE. I believe that those same players should be able to go do PvE content in the same gear without being punished with their gear having a large amount of a PvP only stat on it. I also believe the same should be true for those who primarily enjoy PvE, in that they should be allowed to PvP with the same gear they've earned in PvE, without being at a serious disadvantage for lack of a PvP stat.

To summarize my entire belief: Get rid of Expertise as a stat, entirely, and re-itemize the PvP gear (including set bonuses).