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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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jamenta
02.01.2012 , 03:38 PM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by pinealogik View Post
Meh, pvp at 50 is a complete disaster. I would rather re-roll and have tons of fun in the 10-49 Bracket, you know where skill actually matter.
^^ This.

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Noctournys
02.01.2012 , 03:40 PM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by Tacopx View Post
I guess I will add my 2c to this. Taking out progression is a very bad idea for an MMO, pve or pvp. BW just needs to change a couple of things to fix the current system and not completely overhaul the existing system. Let's face it, its not going to happen anyways.

1.) BW removed the blue expertise pvp set from the game. Adding this back in would give 200+ expertise to ppl just hitting 50.
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You can still do this, and actually have Expertise (a l ittle mroe than the 240 or so it gave you for the blues) by buying the orange level 40ish PvP weapons. The tanking gun (pistol for Empire, rifle for Pubs) has an enhancement in it that has 23 expertise.

You can strip them out and put htem in other gear. I did this for a bit before i realized that the expertise i was gaining wasn't worth the loss of 6% crit and and 42% surge (for my class).

Still, i had 5.7% expertise with oranges, and those had better other stats then the old blues, because i had a level 51 armoring (from daily comms) and a level 51 mod.

its seriously about that hard. six days of dalies.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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Wyrdstar
02.01.2012 , 03:41 PM | #253
You can certainly tell that a lot of people never played anything other then progressive gear based pvp. It frightens them to lose the advantage that having no life affords them in this type of game. It also amazes me how many people use the terms "work and grueling" in reference to a game. it seems as if they find some self validation in this. Maybe try this. Take your lips off the great purple gear *** and step away from the no life crutch. Free your mind and beat your opponent on a level playing field, it's far more satisfying. After you've achieved this get your doughy arse out of your rotting computer chair,take your greasy fingers off your pizza cheese encrusted key board grab a shower and go out and get a life. Later after you've done some "grueling work" in the real world come back and beat your opponent again on a level playing field. Trust me you'll feel better about things.

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Tourne
02.01.2012 , 03:41 PM | #254
I'm not rerolling to play in a 1-49 bracket...I can understand how it may be of an appeal in (other games) there is no such need to do so here except for laziness or ADHD.

You can easily compete on the same level as "geared" opponents with only the slightest of time consumption...it's beyond lenient atm.

The only reason that I would play in a 1-49 is if I had no other choice...being lvl 1-49.

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Orici
02.01.2012 , 03:41 PM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by dannythefool View Post
The point of the thread seems to be that the 10-49 bracket did improve things for everybody who isn't 50 yet. That's a good thing but there's still some room for improvements on the level 50 side.
Hmm, in that case the next logical step would be to split the 50's into 2 brackets. Is there a max for expertise? If so, the bottom half can be the normal 50 bracket, and the top half can be the elite 50's bracket.

That would kinda fix 1 problem, but then add to the "I have to wait forever for 1 match" problem.
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Lugh
02.01.2012 , 03:43 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Orici View Post
Hmm, in that case the next logical step would be to split the 50's into 2 brackets. Is there a max for expertise? If so, the bottom half can be the normal 50 bracket, and the top half can be the elite 50's bracket.

That would kinda fix 1 problem, but then add to the "I have to wait forever for 1 match" problem.
That just means all the people that think expertise is OP'd or whatever will only equip 1/2 pvp gear or less.
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Noctournys
02.01.2012 , 03:43 PM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Wyrdstar View Post
You can certainly tell that a lot of people never played anything other then progressive gear based pvp. It frightens them to lose the advantage that having no life affords them in this type of game. It also amazes me how many people use the terms "work and grueling" in reference to a game. it seems as if they find some self validation in this. Maybe try this. Take your lips off the great purple gear *** and step away from the no life crutch. Free your mind and beat your opponent on a level playing field, it's far more satisfying. After you've achieved this get your doughy arse out of your rotting computer chair,take your greasy fingers off your pizza cheese encrusted key board grab a shower and go out and get a life. Later after you've done some "grueling work" in the real world come back and beat your opponent again on a level playing field. Trust me you'll feel better about things.
Yeah... 90 minutes doing six matches a day is simply NO EFFING LIFE.

or 30 minutes doing a few dalies.

The Clue bus will be back around in a few days. Make sure to get a ticket.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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Orici
02.01.2012 , 03:46 PM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Lugh View Post
That just means all the people that think expertise is OP'd or whatever will only equip 1/2 pvp gear or less.
equipping half PvP gear would give them half the expertise... and isnt expertise the main thing on PvP gear people are complaining about?
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Noollig
02.01.2012 , 03:47 PM | #259
I would absolutely love a bracket that would normalize gear for each class. So there would be set stats and nobody would have an innate advantage due to higher level gear.

Bag-drop-luck, exploiting, and lack of a full time job doesn't make one player better than another. I would very much prefer a bracket that pits a player/team's skill against another's skill. Gear can matter in open world pvp, sure. But open world PvP isn't regulated, and a fair fight isn't expected.

I'd rather fight a level 40+ as a level 10-19 character than fight a Battlemaster geared player as a fresh 50.

Give an option for people to fight in a bracket that gives all players the same stats depending on class, and lets see how many still queue in the one that requires a gear grind to compete.

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Torleen
02.01.2012 , 03:49 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Edex View Post
Hmm.. actually you are wrong and i will tell you why people are doing that. Here it goes.. a little avoided secret. You can actually get a bit of expertise pre 50 by stripping the pvp weapons that have it. Max of 25 per weapon so if you put it on orange gear.. you run around in the pre 50 brackets with a good chunk of expertise.

Oh as an fyi the mod is level 45 and this is why some people will quit zones so they dont hit 50
I am already doing this. I have Expertise on every piece of gear. The most you can get is under 5%. Which is nothing.
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