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Why are they killing hybrid builds???

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Why are they killing hybrid builds???

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PlagaNerezza
02.27.2013 , 02:05 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Whatsalightsaver View Post
Um, non "cookie cutter" specs are always clearly inferior. Being a snowflake doesn't stop you from under performing and pulling down your group. The rare solid hybrid spec that does come about makes the class impossible to balance. You really should have learned that by now, all of you. Don't ask for things that don't make sense.

After 8 years WoW is giving more customization a shot in MoP, and I'm telling you right now that 1 of 2 things will happen: 1. Optimal "optional" talents will be found and thus just more cookie cutter specs. Or 2: Balance will be more chaotic than at any point in WoW's history. WoW in for another rough expansion, you really want that here? The more options you have the harder it is to balance. It's not rocket science.

I'm really not as angry as I seem, it's just late and some forum ideas make my head hurt. The "No add ons!!!!" thread in particular makes me want to punch a kitten.
The reason hybrids exist, is that putting all your points into a single talent tree results in sub-performing classes. It will continue to be massive problems for assassins because all 3 of the trees suck at the top.

I am really pissed about the tanksin wither nerf. Its 10m range sucks. You want me to give up a 30m death field?
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thefishdude
03.01.2013 , 07:27 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by planet_J View Post
Actually:

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18/28 Jugg

27/5/14 Assassin

Hybrids are alive and well...
I was looking at the same build for my Sin; however, you've taken some crazy points. I hope you're just trying to prove a point and aren't seriously running that exact Sin spec. Here are a few examples:

1) You take Electric Execution over Swelling Shadows: With crit chance at a premium in 2.0, why give up an extra 15% chance to crit??

2) You didn't take Electrify?? You don't want 15% more damage on your shock? It's the bread in the Bread & Butter rotation of Sin Tanks.

3) Not putting 2 points into Claws of Decay. This one can be debated, but once again, Thrash is butter in the Bread & Butter rotation; so, why would you want to reduce it's potential damage.
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planet_J
03.01.2013 , 09:04 AM | #93
I was just throwing something together to get to deathfield...wasn't really paying any attention. I will wait to actually put a feasible build together until they're done tweaking it.
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Xienive
03.01.2013 , 09:40 AM | #94
I had played that hybrid build and for some reason I just really felt like my damage and survivability is just overall a bit lower than on live. For some reason my shocks and DF were just not hitting hard at all and I am not sure why this would be considering nothing should be changed about either of those. Of course the lower survivability would be the quite noticeable 20% armor reduction. Which only makes sense to take it from the light armor wearing tanks
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thefishdude
03.01.2013 , 12:56 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Xienive View Post
I had played that hybrid build and for some reason I just really felt like my damage and survivability is just overall a bit lower than on live. For some reason my shocks and DF were just not hitting hard at all and I am not sure why this would be considering nothing should be changed about either of those. Of course the lower survivability would be the quite noticeable 20% armor reduction. Which only makes sense to take it from the light armor wearing tanks

I truly believe they're pushing us to wear survivor gear. it's their attempt at killing the DPS Sin Tank......
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MasterFeign
03.01.2013 , 02:31 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by thefishdude View Post
I truly believe they're pushing us to wear survivor gear. it's their attempt at killing the DPS Sin Tank......
Interestingly enough, when I was trying my own build on the PTS. With keeping my same min maxed gear from level 50, I did more or less the same kind of damage on the dummy as I were to do on live. However I did notice higher crits on shock and sometimes thrash. Deathfield went up around 800dps, and harnessed darkness was up by 400 dps per tick.

My survivability was hard to test though, especially in a WZ. I'd need to test with more 1 on 1s.

I was a 55 wearing 50 gear, so it'll be intesting what the end result will be. Though min maxing with the new gear won't be as difficult compared to the EWH, as I'll save about 250 Ranked comms.

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Xienive
03.01.2013 , 03:14 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterFeign View Post
Interestingly enough, when I was trying my own build on the PTS. With keeping my same min maxed gear from level 50, I did more or less the same kind of damage on the dummy as I were to do on live. However I did notice higher crits on shock and sometimes thrash. Deathfield went up around 800dps, and harnessed darkness was up by 400 dps per tick.

My survivability was hard to test though, especially in a WZ. I'd need to test with more 1 on 1s.

I was a 55 wearing 50 gear, so it'll be intesting what the end result will be. Though min maxing with the new gear won't be as difficult compared to the EWH, as I'll save about 250 Ranked comms.
Today when I played my damage seemed to be higher than yesterday, I am not really sure why as I didn't change much but a few points perhaps...

I will say this though, I have always sworn on wearing a focus but now with the shields working the way they do I really love the extra survivability and will be using one from now on.
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MasterFeign
03.01.2013 , 10:29 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Xienive View Post
Today when I played my damage seemed to be higher than yesterday, I am not really sure why as I didn't change much but a few points perhaps...

I will say this though, I have always sworn on wearing a focus but now with the shields working the way they do I really love the extra survivability and will be using one from now on.
I've never used a focus. I've always kept a shield but with dps gear in it. I loose something like 100 bonus force damage, which I think can be neglegible when my shield chance was 20%, defense chance was 16% and shield absorbption is 24%. With the new update, I'll use dark ward in my rotation and get a 35% shield chance.