Tanks: That which will kill SWTOR PVP.

How so, I'm just curious, haven't gotten a chance to play since I'm at work.

Sorry to say that you're wrong.

I was a warrior priest. I loved having melee corner me and aoe detaunt them with guard on. I literally would only have to heal the tank.

As a DoK, I can confirm this. Unless it was changed after I quit because Mythic finally realized how bad they were at balance, in which case good for them.

Man, I finally find a game where being a tank in PvP is entertaining cuz it's useful and ppl cry about it. I do so enjoy being FotM.

Problem:
Tanks.

I'm sure all of the tanks in here are going to jump in here and tell me how i'm an idiot, and tanks suck, or tanks don't contribute anything, or that being "hard to kill" and "annoying" is what they're supposed to do.

Let me just tell you that its not the class/spec that sucks. Here's a hint (google it if you're not familiar with the acronym): PEBKAC

With teams that are 8 players (and lets be honest, much more than this... or maybe more than 12 would make it even less fun for different reasons) in all of the Warzones, tanks are a HUGE problem. Why?

Typical WZ Composition: 2 -3 Healers. 2-3 Tanks. 3-4 DPS

"But Xil! You havn't told us why tanks are a problem yet!"

There are three major reasons: Guard, Taunt, and Durability. A team with two tanks can guard 2 targets simultaneously, and a good tank will switch guard immediately upon a focus swap. With 2-3 healers, these targets are practically unkillable by 4 DPS being rotated through taunts. Whats the other problem? AoE CC. There is SO much AoE cc in this game that if you come anywhere close to killing someone, its just a matter of popping one of your teams choice of 6: AoE fear, flashbang, AoE knockback + root, AoE knockback (the 100 yard variety), or some other of the nearly limitless arsenal of CC in this game. This normally isn't a problem, except for tanks. By the time you recover from CC, taunts are back up -- people are healed to full -- and you start your cycle all over again, except this time without adrenals, relics, etc.

The problem is compounded to a level beyond frustrating (and far beyond fun) when you have an abnormally high number of healers and tanks. If you're any class that does weapon damage primarily (snipers, marauders), I seriously feel for you. You are utterly screwed as you watch your abilities bounce harmlessly off of shields and armor.

Once a tank and healer are properly geared, they make a near unkillable combination. If you do happen to kill one, good luck killing the other before his buddy is back. It simply isn't happening. Again, with the level of CC in this game combined with the utter unkillability of a well geared tank (And lets face it, some of them do a not-so-shabby level of DPS), it can make the life of this game drain out very quickly.


DISCLAIMER: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO GOOD TANKS. IF YOU ARE A BAD TANK, PLEASE FIND A GOOD ONE AND REQUEST ADVICE. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

You heard it here first, though. The near indestructability of tanks and their healer buddies in (organized) PVP will utterly destroy this game in the long run.


I'm sure everyone has had one of "those" warzone matches where both teams have a premade (or two) with good tanks/healers and you literally rack up 400-600-700k damage and 1,000,000+ healing because NOONE can kill ANYONE and you spend the entire time hitting guarded player after guarded player for 100 damage. (This mostly happens in Alderaan).

*edit* to make people understand that i'm referring to a group vs group circumstance, not a "me vs the world" circumstance.

AND JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT, THE PRONOUNS "I" AND "ME" IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES REFER TO MY TEAM AS A UNIT, NOT JUST MYSELF. I'M SORRY I DID NOT MAKE THIS CLEAR IN THE BEGINNING. I WILL BE SURE TO EDIT THE ORIGINAL POST TO INCLUDE THIS PRECISE STATEMENT SO PEOPLE STOP THINKING I'M TRYING TO RAMBO SOLO ORGANIZED TEAMS

Tanks are OP in PvP. Riiiigggghhhtttt...

lulz

Tanks aren't the problem, you not knowing how to deal with them is the problem.

Guard can be dealt with easily, knock the tank away from their target, pull the target away from the tank. The same applies to healers.

Your signature says it all. Obviously you are someone who is too interested in 1v1 more than actual teamplay to understand where the problem lies.



Same argument, different page. If you really think that pulling/knocking a healer away from their tank is going to drop their guard for any more than .5 seconds, then you either play against some really terrible tanks, or really terrible players in general. Mobility is way too high for most classes when it comes to closing a gap with that large of a margin of error.