Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

Aesthetics do no improve a characters ability do do anything.

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I have done so, the mere fact that we have established mechanisms in games for NBG, the fact that there is ALREADY a hierarchy between need, greed, disassemble and pass shows that there is an intended loot order.

Now if they just had "roll" then you'd have a point. They don't.

Why is your priority the correct one, and everyone else's wrong?

Please give objective reasons for this position.

Likewise, pretty much every option for stats is available through solo play.

I'm not really sure what your point is.

Likewise, pretty much every option for stats is available through solo play.

Allow me to shout this

HE DOES!!!!!!

Function before form. When he has the gear to do his job, then you can play "Dress-up"

Oh, so this is just about "Me, me me! They got more than ME!!!". Got it. We all understand the reasoning behind the madness now. It's good to know it was all about greed for you as we all suspected.

Increase in function objectively increases access to the "frivolous".

Your way is a waste of everybody's time.

You keep saying this. I AM thinking of the other people in the group. Honestly, I'm thinking of them far more than you are.

I express a courtesy to the members of my group that you seem incapable of - respect. If someone wants an item because they love the looks, I respect that. If they see an upgrade in the enhancement and can use it, I respect that. If they see an item that can improve their lives while solo'ing, I respect that. I respect their choice, let them press the button they want, and we all take the results of the roll. I congratulate them on it or go "Woot!", and we move on to the next boss.

The companion won't mind if you make someone press the pass button - but the player will. When you step up and tell them "You're not as important as I am, you don't get to decide if this is an upgrade for you or not, you don't get to decide if you can use this or not, I'll tell you what you can use." At BEST you're telling someone "No, you're doing it wrong, here, let me tell you what's a worthwhile upgrade for you. Yes, I know you think it looks cool, but that's not important."

That you continue to hide behind somehow thinking of the other players in the group while imposing your playstyle on them is just twisted.

And that's fine, I won't join your groups and you won't join mine. But here's a question for you.. Which gets the quicker group?

a) /1 LFG xxx No loot rules
b) /1 LFG xxx Only need on this, and this and this and if your this, and something else

All your threats of getting a group just went out the window.