Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

You follow a "co-operative group mutual gain decided by each individual" code or you don't.

See what I did there?

Your argument just failed.

You can not narrow this to black and white beyond - "either you play by the default group loot rules of the game or you speak up and ask if everyone in the group minds if they are changed to what you prefer them to be."

So you've got nothing left but calling people liars about their background? This is what passes for decent, strong debate points on your side?

People seem to mean different things when talking about entitlement. I consider myself entitled to roll on anything that drops because I was part of the group that killed the mob. That is all I am entitled to.

I may choose to not roll on things that I don't want (press Greed), in order that others can have a higher chance. In fact, this is what I usually do. If I am not planning to use the item, I am not going to roll need on it. Nonetheless, I am "entitled" to roll on it if I choose to.

I am not entitled to be guaranteed any particular item. I am just entitled to roll on each item.

Everyone deserves a fair chance to acquire any loot they wish. When more than one person wants the loot, the dice get to decide (which is fair).

"Fair Chance" is not the same as "Guarantee".

As a heavy armor user I can use light/medium/heavy. Do you know why I'm not running around in light armor?

Hint: There is very simple reaon for that.

because you're a tank?

Sorry I nearly spilt my coffee when I read that.. I bet you want to take your ball home too.

I think they should do away with the entire need/greed mechanic. Instead just have a roll button for everything that drops, no matter what it is. Then if some other player wants it, they could offer to buy it from whoever won it. If they didn't want to sell, for whatever reason, then just wait for the next run. Sooner or later you'll get what you want.

The whole need/greed thing just feeds the immaturity that abounds. My own feeling about it is, I really don't have this panic state concerning gear. I don't need to have something now. I think games like WoW, which are essentially epic gear vending machines, have created a whole slew of gamers who get stressed out over gear. I've seen people raise a fuss over a piece of gear, and then a week later raise the same fuss about a different piece of gear for the same slot that maybe has a +1 additional stat of some kind. Stressing about gear turns people into monsters.

I think they should take a stand against it all and be daring and just dump the whole outdated idea.

And your point is...?

If a piece of medium orange armor drops with Str in it, you can most certainly make use of that. If a piece of orange heavy armor drops with Aim in it drops, and you like the look, you can most certainly make use of it. If you want to make your Juggernaut look like a Bounty Hunter, or vice versa, you certainly can do that.

But even then, it's personal - we've got a guild on my server dedicated to running around entirely in various slave girl outfits. Yes, even the tanks. I wouldn't do it, but I admire their dedication, and I'm certainly not going to tell them they're wrong as long as we still manage to clear the content.

Nah... we both know it's true.

No, that doesn't imply that he's telling anyone to pass.

Also, I'm pretty sure that what you have in quotes is not something that he's said...

To be accurate, it'd be something like "I want it. Doesn't matter if you think you are entitled to have it without a roll." or "I want it. Doesn't matter if my use of it matches the loot priorities dictated by your playstyle or not."