Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

Yes but in this case, neither one is actually going to equip the item, just use the mods in the item. So heavy/med shouldn't factor into this.

That's the way I play too, I pass on stuff I actually need if a lot of the greed rolls have been going my way.

However, it doesn't change the simple fact that no one in a group has a higher right to any piece of dropped gear than anyone else. That's the biggest problem I have with most people's attitude, they feel like that the random fact of what character class they rolled give them some kind of devine right to any dropped gear they can use.

We simply wouldn't be having this conversation, in what seems like the 50th thread, if there was no Need option. There simply will NEVER be a concensus on this issue.

And my disagreement with this is the core of the issue, at least for me.

If both players do exactly the same thing with the item, with exactly the same results, why does one "need" it more?

For all the people saying "We're just doing it like every MMO always has", I believe the entire concept of "Need Before Greed" has become horribly perverted. Originally, "greed" meant something you were going to take to sell for money. "Need" meant something you were going to use. Somewhere along the way, we've thrown a ton of other restrictions on it. Now you have to use EVERYTHING in the drop, or it has to be specifically for your class before you can use it, even if you'll get exactly the same benefit out of it. Or, even worse, we've got people deciding whether or not your need is needy enough.


"Need" meant "I can use this." But it's gotten so twisted that even if two people will use it for the exact same thing, with the exact same benefit, one has a claim on it and the other doesn't, and not only that but the first will, by some evaluations, be perfectly justified in kicking the other out of the group, blacklisting them, and screaming to the entire fleet what a ninja looter they are to ruin their game.

Nobody else sees a problem with this?

You think it's more fair due to game design and others think it's unfair due to loot design. How does one design have so much more sway than the other? Each FP has loot designed for each class. That's how the game was designed.


Also, Jugg Mods and Marauder Mods have different priorities. Jugg Mods prioritize Endurance where Marauder Mods prioritize Str. So, the Marauder is kind of gimping himself there.

No, it doesn't

Who are you claiming does this?

So? You didn't want that other stuff anyway?

It sounds to me that you're just upset that you no longer get to control what other people do. Sorry, but you're not entitled to control what they prioritize.


Again, prioritizing your personal progression over equality is less fair than the reverse. I think it's pretty clear that this is the case.

This really isn't the case. Plenty of DPS Juggernauts will prioritize Strength.

Orange modable items introduce too much "grey area" ..It's probably best to just stick with the norms. you gotta draw a line somewhere.

Wow - I'm telling you flat out that it does. Your decision informs mine. You are really in no position to say otherwise.

I am not rolling against just you in a fair setting - I am rolling against you and your companion (non-player) that doesn't enter into my concept of 'fair'. You are weighing your decision to roll on more factors than I am - not less. Your way is fair only in your mind.

No see, here's the difference. What I think about it being fair or not means nothing here, same with your view on it. Neither of our opinions make it fair or not. By definition of the word fair, the system is fair. Not my definition, but the definition of the word itself. It's impartial, it doesn't have bias for anyone one player's playstyle or choices and it is the rules set forth by BioWare, who DO get to decide what is or isn't fair.

No, I think it's more fair due to giving choice to each individual instead of allowing people to impose their choice on other people.

the latter is inherently less fair.

not necessarily. Jugg dps prioritizes str as well.

and sometimes a piece has a mix of mods and enhancements.

say
end heavy armoring (instead of the str heavy armoring)
str heavy mod, maybe with dps secondary stats (instead of an end heavy mod with tank secondary stats)
enhancement with tanking secondary stats.

I remember seeing this sort of thing several times for shadow (tank vs dps pieces)