Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

A few people have said that - I think I've seen it about 6 times, in upwards of 2500 responses, and none of the people saying that have decided to stay around to debate it. Yet people seem to keep bringing it up.

I think you've been trolled :P

Are there people who would do this? Yes. Are they seriously what's being debated here? Despite the constant attempts from several people to try and paint that extreme response as the only possible endpoint, no, it's not what we're debating.

If the best you've got (not you specifically, Keihryon, but the general "you" on the other side of this debate) is the slippery slope argument of total anarchy with everyone rolling need on everything as we all worship a talking pig head... <shrug> I'll choose to trust people, and deal with them as it goes.

Actually - yes you can. It is just as valid for you to make that choice as it for any of the ones they are presenting.

You choose not to do it - but that is due to your own personal 'need' compass and is not impacted by them at all.

You were in the instance.. You decide how to roll, you decide what you do with whatever you win.

You can roll 'need' how-ever you see fit. That's the huge difference here.. I'm saying you can choose whichever button you want. Other are saying they get to choose which button you press.

Which part did I misunderstand?

Creed is essentially right. I was vehemently saying it yesterday near the tail end if for no other reason than to indicate that it *is* a possible outcome that they continue to ignore.

Anyone that had read my posts up to that point though knew that I wouldn't *really* do it because that isn't the position I generally advocate.

There have been a series of random one-off people popping in saying 'Need All' and leaving, but that is hardly a valid representation.

This is deeply ironic.

A different way of looking at things is exactly what we're advocating for. Expand your mind to see the potential use of mods to people whether they wear the entire item or not, to the use of companions, to the dynamic nature of the custom item system. You're completely ignoring ALL of that in favor of the system that grew out of the last generation of MMOs.

Yeah, the last one - not multiple generations. NBG originally meant "If you can use it, Need, if you're going to sell it, Greed." That's it. Nothing more. Can I use an item for my companion? Yes, I can - therefore, I have a valid need. Am I going to vendor it? No - therefore, it's not Greed.

For someone appealing to MMO history you don't seem to actually know very much of it.

Just remove the need button and add a 60 minute trade window for BoP's.

Almost everyone on this thread agrees that you should only roll need if you are going to use the item. This should not describe the majority of loot that falls, assuming that you make some effort to keep your gear up to date, regardless of how strictly you define "need".

"need for companion" is not a code word for sell. If my companion (the one that I use, not the droid in the ship that never goes anywhere) doesn't need an item, I am not going to roll need on it for her.

If the item is for my class, but I don't need it, I am not going to roll need. If the item is not for my class and I don't need it, I am not going to roll need.

I am not going to roll need on orange gear that I am not going to wear or use the mods from.

There seem to be 2 main areas of disagreement about what constitutes "use":

1. Whether companions are part of your character or considered to be part of the group "companions, alts, and vendor",

2. Whether it is a valid to roll need on orange gear you might wear for many levels against someone that just wants the mods from it

In both cases, there is nothing stopping others in the group that need the item (for whatever reason) from also rolling "need" on it if they like.

EDIT: it would help if the tooltip for your most recently-summoned companion came up with the loot box so you don't accidentally need for companion when it turns out not to be an upgrade.

I agree totally. Remove the need button entirely. We do not 'need' it

Oh you get to choose to roll whatever you want. I don't get to choose for you what you roll.

But I do get to choose to not have you in my group anymore.

The real question is: Just how scary is the prospect of not being invited to future "loot drama" groups?