Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

Actually i do agree that loot rules if they differ from normal group loot is should be discussed on beforehand.

Meaning normal loot rules is this

You roll need on what you join for as need not actually what you can use.
Otherwise state it beforehand or ask in the chat if that player that joined as <insert role> needs the item


In soloing groups cant see youre companions gear.........

Meaning without rules need becomes the new greed

I understand that, but you likewise have to appreciate that you're not entering into a vacuum here. All I'm saying is to appreciate that very little of this debate has been staged as anyone's "opinion" from your side of things - it's been (and still is, if you read concurrent posts) all placed in the context of threats and intimidation. You may intend yourself to be a shining beacon of not in the middle of all that, but you're not that isolated

I have no problem with the idea of not grouping with someone who disagrees with me on loot rules - we all play the game for different reasons, and I'd equally not group with someone who wanted to skip every conversation, because that's an important part of it to me (the first 5-6 times, anyway ). And if it were just that (as you're advocating) I don't think there would be a problem.

But it's not just that. It's a horribly aggressive, honestly scary intimidation campaign directed at anyone who might think differently - whether it's a different view on companions and their place, whether it's a different idea of who has earned what, or just someone like me who's trying to adapt the loot standards to this game rather than basing it on the last, the prevailing commentary on your side of things is not "Go our separate ways and live and let live".

The issue here, and another part of the overall contention, is there aren't "normal loot rules". The system itself is simple and morally agnostic, but people are ascribing a moral value to rolling Need and start tacking on conditions in which they feel it's appropriate to make that loot choice.

Those conditions aren't absolute, and they're upset about it, so they start making threats of blacklisting and character defamation via chat channel for people who act in a fashion they feel is inappropriate, hoping force will accomplish what their personal desires couldn't.

If someone goes into a group and agrees with rules established in that group before the run begins, they should abide by those rules or leave. It's wrong in my estimation to agree to the preset rules in that group and then act counter to them later. But all of that aside, no "standard" loot rules exist beyond Need Before Greed, leaving each player to choose for themselves when they hit the Need button, and for what reason.

Actually you do say need or greed .

But if i can roll need and i am low on money or mats why shouldnt i need it says i can .
And yes the rules are common courtesy rules (similar as giving up youre spot on public transport to the elderly if needed)
It is social conduct.

And yes i personally will actually blacklist people without any doubt if i am or someone i know experience the "need" for companion when one player needs it for group content.

Like i said if you want to use the gear from the group content on youre companions then feel free to solo it

A lot of people seem to ask "what gives you the right to tell other people what they can and can't roll?"

Well the answer is very simple, the fact that they have joined a group with me gives me the right. I see them more as conditions than rules. I agree to do this group content with you, on the condition the we follow my rules.

Then you have to make a choice in the matter, which of these 2 is more important to you, actually doing the group content (which means you have agree to my rules) or being able to need roll whatever you want (in which case you have to leave my group and spend some time looking for another group or not do the group content at all)

I'm not forcing you to join a group with me. You have a choice in the matter.

Also I'm not being greedy and selfish in any way. Whenever I set rules that limit what you can roll (no need rolling for companions) I set the same limitations to myself (I will not be need rolling for my companions either). So I am treating everyone equally.

A lot of people seem to ask "what gives you the right to tell other people what they can and can't roll?"

Well the answer is very simple, the fact that they have joined a group with me gives me the right. I see them more as conditions than rules. I agree to do this group content with you, on the condition the we follow my rules.

Then you have to make a choice in the matter, which of these 2 is more important to you, actually doing the group content (which means you have agree to my rules) or being able to need roll whatever you want (in which case you have to leave my group and spend some time looking for another group or not do the group content at all)

I'm not forcing you to join a group with me. You have a choice in the matter.

Also I'm not being greedy and selfish in any way. Whenever I set rules that limit what you can roll (no need rolling for companions) I set the same limitations to myself (I will not be need rolling for my companions either). So I am treating everyone equally.

There's really not any right or wrong here. That item would have been good for a couple of his companions, so maybe thats why he wanted it. I doubt it would have went to waste.

That being said, its better to lay out loot rules in your groups before the loot drops, less surprises that way.

And if people insist on being jerks, well, there are lists for that, just add em to it and dont group with em again.

I propose one simple question for you, since you like making absolute statements like that: What makes you the authority?

You're of course more than welcome to blacklist anyone you like. But to set a rule like you're doing, stating that someone who wants a piece for a companion should go in and solo the content, doesn't hold a lot of water without something to back it up. So what do you have to back up that statement as an absolute rule and not just a personal opinion?