Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

My hope? A class-based rolling system would be nice (and, if an option, hugely popular), but introducing it takes more developer time than the ability to trade a BoP item within a team for a limited period. That option that won't deter the defiantly selfish but would help in many other cases.

You need to ignore Leondar, Spider - he's just trolling.

Well if there's a class in your group that actually uses blasters to do damage then yeah, he probably would get more use out of it than you would.

He certainly would - but should he be prohibited from rolling on it, just because it won't apply much in the group situation?

More importantly, do you actually think that those who have brought up the point of "You can't roll for companions because they don't help in the flashpoint" would make the same argument in that situation? Because so far, nobody has - it's always been about companions. Which, to be honest, makes it look a lot more like something developed to support the conclusion (companions shouldn't get Need items) than an actual evaluation of the usefulness and whether it qualifies as "need".

Well those are the rules I kind of just naturally fell into because it felt right, prior to ever posting on the forums, so I'm not just making it up for the sake of argument.

You don't think that wanting to roll on items appropriate to two different classes even though you picked one could be construed as just a tad greedy?

As far as I'm concerned, they're the same. And once you accept that, it all becomes a matter of who can use it more - if I only use 2 of 3 mods, or don't use the appearance, or you get +2 and I get +6, who "needs" it more? I'm not going to get into that - if it's an upgrade, you meet the bar to roll "need". I'm just a lot more open than some as to what qualifies as an upgrade.

No, I really don't. It's the way this game is designed. Companions are expected to be geared - that's why they have all the same slots we do, and those slots affect how well you can play. As far as I'm concerned, throwing a fit over someone trying to fill their companion's chest slot isn't any different than throwing a fit over trying to fill my character's earpiece slot.

I truly believe that SWTOR is different, and people haven't caught up to that yet. They're trying to apply loot rules from other games they know, and they're completely ignoring the extra complexities introduced by things like mods, orange items, and companions. I presented a Juggernaut/Marauder question back in the first few pages of this version, and not many people have taken it up - but if an orange heavy armor item drops, and a Marauder and Juggernaut will both strip the mods to put in their current orange armor, why is it any more "needed" by the Juggernaut than the Marauder just because it starts in a container marked "Heavy Armor"? Same thing goes for, say, a Sniper Rifle - an Operative uses a Blaster Rifle but not a Sniper Rifle. If they can move every stat from the Sniper to their current Blaster, and get just as much use, why doesn't that qualify as an equivalent "need" for either an Operative or a Blaster?

As far as I'm concerned, they're the same. And once you accept that, it all becomes a matter of who can use it more - if I only use 2 of 3 mods, or don't use the appearance, or you get +2 and I get +6, who "needs" it more? I'm not going to get into that - if it's an upgrade, you meet the bar to roll "need". I'm just a lot more open than some as to what qualifies as an upgrade.

The only thing you need to understand, Stony, is that if you are grouping with Creed (and others of his mindset) that you can't automatically assume that your definition of Need even remotely matches theirs.

They consider anything (with the exception of needing for coin - pointless distinction really) as being a Need for their character that grants equal rights over a player character in the group.

Now I have professed your position (Stoney's) for something over three iterations of this thread and have finally come to the realization that they are incapable of seeing things any other way.

The credo of the thread from their side has been 'fair' - it is 'fair' that everyone roll on almost everything because they can and the system allows it. Now they forget that it isn't fair really because they explode cash rolls from their equation, but don't let that bother you. It's fair.

So - when you see their position is really only 'mostly fair' and often just to them because they like it then it isn't any better (or one could argue worse) than only counting players in the mix.