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What does the Empire hope to achieve?

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What does the Empire hope to achieve?

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Cythereal
01.30.2012 , 04:49 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
Well maybe, but they were still always the bad guys from the start, not an abuse victim turned abuser.
That's the Empire now. So the Empire started the Great Hyperspace War and lost. Fair enough. Then the Republic and Jedi went completely overboard in victory and attempted to utterly exterminate the Sith. They failed, and the survivors of attempted genocide never forgot or forgave.
"That which furthers our purpose is authorized." - Imperial Intelligence, Field Operations Division motto

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ErikModi
01.30.2012 , 04:57 PM | #22
The core belief of the Sith is best summed up by a make-your-own motivational poster I once saw, a close up Palpatine's face, captioned with:

LAWFUL EVIL
Because the fate of the galaxy is too important to be left in the hands of some goody-two-shoes.

The Sith honestly believe that order is better than freedom, security superior to justice, and one strong voice better than a dozen dissenting ones. That's the glorious dream of the Sith Empire that Palpatine came so close to realizing, that one strong, powerful, authoritarian ruler could bring about a new golden age in which things actually GOT DONE, instead of years of people talking about getting things done.
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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FichutheDude
01.30.2012 , 05:19 PM | #23
Sith believe they're the supreme form of existence in the Universe and everyone who ain't a Sith should be purified by their lightsaber or be under their mighty control.

The old Sith empire has a problem though. Since all Sith think in absolute. Every of them want to be at the top.Which eventually will destroy them and thus the Rule of the 2 take place long after the Sith empire was destroyed.

Sith only care about themselves and their power/control. Whioch in the end will be their downfall.

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OldVengeance
01.30.2012 , 06:49 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Cythereal View Post
That's the Empire now. So the Empire started the Great Hyperspace War and lost. Fair enough. Then the Republic and Jedi went completely overboard in victory and attempted to utterly exterminate the Sith. They failed, and the survivors of attempted genocide never forgot or forgave.
They're the same empire. The current head of state was even around for the last war.

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Cythereal
01.30.2012 , 06:54 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
They're the same empire. The current head of state was even around for the last war.
Surprise: people and organizations change, especially over the course of centuries.
"That which furthers our purpose is authorized." - Imperial Intelligence, Field Operations Division motto

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E-Zekiel
01.30.2012 , 07:03 PM | #26
It can be summed up as such:


(note: this is an extreme generalization, hence the word "summed")

The Jedi/Republic wants peace through democracy, education, and transparency.

The Sith/Empire wants peace through control, force and obedience.

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CelticMutt
01.30.2012 , 07:28 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Cythereal View Post
They're here to avenge the attempted genocide of their people and demonstrate their own superiority over the Republic and the Jedi. They're an abused victim turned an abuser themselves, seeking to do to another what that other once did to them.
This, plus:

Quote: Originally Posted by E-Zekiel View Post
It can be summed up as such:


(note: this is an extreme generalization, hence the word "summed")

The Jedi/Republic wants peace through democracy, education, and transparency.

The Sith/Empire wants peace through control, force and obedience.
This. The Sith Empire has the same basic goal Palpatine did - revenge on the Jedi, and complete law and order of the galaxy.

Lucas envisioned the Republic and Empire as being reflections of the Roman Republic and Empire, each trying to bring its own brand of order to the perceived chaos of their world.

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OldVengeance
01.30.2012 , 07:53 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Cythereal View Post
Surprise: people and organizations change, especially over the course of centuries.
So the things that happened to them a thousand years ago are still a factor but the things they did somehow aren't? The Sith Empire existed for thousands of years before the Great Hyperspace War as well and it was still evil all throughout then too.

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Cythereal
01.30.2012 , 08:13 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by OldVengeance View Post
So the things that happened to them a thousand years ago are still a factor but the things they did somehow aren't? The Sith Empire existed for thousands of years before the Great Hyperspace War as well and it was still evil all throughout then too.
Only evil by the Republic's point of view. The Empire correctly points out that the Republic is up to its eyeballs in corrupt leaders, ineffectual government, an inability to enforce anything like loyalty and good order, fails to live up to its own ideals, and is utterly paranoid of other powers. All of these things are present in TOR. Twenty minutes on Ord Mantell, or thirty on Coruscant, will make it perfectly clear.

If you pay attention, TOR does make you wonder if an Imperial victory would really be so bad. The Republic only holds a small sector of Coruscant - the rest is overrun by criminal gangs, corrupt militia forces, and Imperial troops. And that's on the Republic capital and heart of its power. The Republic failed to do anything about the secession of Alderaan and Corellia, only sending in troops after the fact. The Republic wantonly broke the Treaty of Coruscant whenever it felt like - see Quesh and the immediate backstory of Havoc Squad.

The Sith, for all their crimes, never attempted genocide in the Great Hyperspace War. The Republic did, and elements of it try again and again in TOR - The Foundry and the Shadow Arsenal are both condoned by the Republic and set into motion by Jedi, and both have the sole purpose of killing billions of Imperial citizens.

There are plenty of reasons why some people in the galaxy genuinely prefer life in the Empire to life in the Republic, and think an Imperial-run galaxy would be a better place to live.
"That which furthers our purpose is authorized." - Imperial Intelligence, Field Operations Division motto

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Uluain
01.30.2012 , 08:17 PM | #30
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So the things that happened to them a thousand years ago are still a factor but the things they did somehow aren't? The Sith Empire existed for thousands of years before the Great Hyperspace War as well and it was still evil all throughout then too.
It is important to look at the whole established backstory of the Light Side / Dark Side conflict which is fundamental to Republic / Empire politics and animosity. The Force Wars, the various Great Schisms and so on all have contributed to the present situation.

Essentially, the Jedi seek guidance from the Force and to use it for defense and knowledge.

The Sith seek power over the Force to assert their will for the greatest possible control over others.